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 Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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The Amateur wrote:
| Quote: | And this is what my system basically consists of:
E6420
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R
2 GB's Crucial 800 RAM
Corsair 520HX PSU
Evga 7600GT
150gb Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
DVD R/W
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So looking over the thread, where we're at right now, is
you press the power button on the front of the computer,
and the power supply fan does not turn. There is no
response from the power supply.
The necessary ingredients -
1) When you switch on the supply, the +5VSB part of the
supply works immediately. On an Asus motherboard, the
green LED on the motherboard, glows in response. I'm not
sure the Gigabyte has a LED for that. If there is no
LED, then a multimeter can be used to check it.
2) The +5VSB powers motherboard standby circuitry, and also
powers the logic that interfaces to the front power button.
It is also part of the interface on the power supply side
(the pullup resistor on PS_ON#).
3) If the motherboard is receiving +5VSB, then it can
"listen" to the front panel power switch. The front switch
is momentary contact, and closes when you press it. That
gives a short pulse to a logic chip on the motherboard.
(The front switch does *not* go directly to the mobo.)
The motherboard latches that pulse, and sends a steady
"on" signal in the form of PS_ON#, a signal on the main
power supply cable.
4) The signal on the cable is open collector. If the power
supply is sitting all by itself on a table top, it won't
run, because there is nothing connected to PS_ON#. That
logic signal has a pullup resistor, to +5VSB. So sitting
on the bench, the power supply by itself, has a 5 volt level
on PS_ON#. When the motherboard wishes to start the supply,
a motherboard driver grounds PS_ON#. That tells the supply
to start, and the fan in the supply starts to spin.
Based on that description, is why someone suggested testing
the power supply, basically testing the PS_ON# response. You
can use a paper clip, between PS_ON# and COM, to ground
PS_ON# and fake the same set of conditions the motherboard
uses.
In a pinch, you can even short PS_ON# to COM, while the
main power supply harness is connected to the motherboard.
(The metal pins are exposed enough to touch with probes or
a paper clip, where the wires go into the connector.)
Since the signal driving PS_ON# is open collector (or should
be), it should be safe to ground it. (Open collector is also
known as wired-OR logic, meaning one device OR another can
ground it at any one time. You can connect multiple open
collector outputs together, and the shorting strap between
PS_ON# and COM counts as just another such driver.)
The downside of manually overriding the motherboard, is you
disable motherboard protections. For example, say the heatsink
fell off the processor. The motherboard detects this as THERMTRIP
and attempts to turn off the power. If a shorting strap was
present between PS_ON# and COM, the power supply continues to
run. So in theory, in that particular situation, the processor
could overheat. So the trick of connecting PS_ON# to COM
is not something I would feel comfortable with, for long
term usage (some users who have motherboard logic failures
on PS_ON#, sometimes use that technique). It also affects
your shutdown sequence, in the sense that, at the end of
the present session, when you select shutdown in Windows,
the computer thinks it has powered off, but is still receiving
power. Maybe it'll have that "it is safe to turn off your
computer" on the screen, but I don't know that for a fact.
You can also test the power supply, by removing it from the
computer and testing it by itself. That would tell you
whether the supply is listening to PS_ON#, but not whether
the motherboard PS_ON# driver is able to drive the
signal to ground. (You should have a small bit of loading
on the supply, to help the supply maintain regulation.
I have my own home made load box for that purpose. Costs
about $50 for a handful of power resistors and an ATX
connector.)
If you used a multimeter, and measured the PS_ON# signal
level, with respect to chassis ground, you'd see +5 volts
(coming from the +5VSB on the supply) sitting on the line.
When you press the front panel button, the level should
drop to pretty close to zero volts. That means the motherboard
logic is doing the right thing. But if the power supply
doesn't start, it may be because the driver is weak and
cannot make it all the way to ground. Or the pullup on
the power supply side has become stronger than normal
(unlikely), and the poor driver cannot possibly pull it
down.
If for any reason, the +5VSB rail gets shorted out, inside
the supply is internal protection against overcurrent.
So checking the power supply harness for +5VSB, gives
some idea whether that is happening. In the case of
Asus boards, the comforting sight of the green LED
on the motherboard, saves you that step, as the green
LED is powered by +5VSB.
Ref: Power supply specs, from oldest to newest. The last
link is suitable for a 24 pin power supply. The wire
colors and pin numbers are in the spec.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030424061333/http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx/ATX_ATX12V_PS_1_1.pdf
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx/ATX12V_1_3dg.pdf
http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/ATX12V_PSDG_2_2_public_br2.pdf
Hope that gives you a few ideas,
Paul |
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Geek Dad
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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Thanks again for all the input.
On Nov 14, 9:53 am, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The Amateur wrote:
It was Veteran's day and I had the day off from work. My 1 1/2 year
old son was harmlessly fiddling with the buttons on our printer while
I was on the computer doing a quick check of email and what-not, when
all of a sudden the computer went off. I look down and see my son's
hands had moved from the printer to the power button of the surge
protector. He turned it off. No big deal, I thought. Turned the surge
protector back on. Attempted to turn the computer back on and nothing.
Tried different outlets, nothing. Held the PC's power button in for a
few, nothing.
I went to the local PC shop and bought a new PSU, swapped the new for
the one in my PC, nothing. No power. No lights. Nothing. Returned the
new PSU to the shop.
Replaced my old PSU, took the battery out of the motherboard to reset
the CMOS, still nothing.
Now maybe I should have reset the CMOS with the new PSU in place,
because my old PSU could be fried too. Oh well.
So does anyone think my MB is dead?
Also, why would simply turning the surge protector off fry the MB?
Finally, could the shortage have spread and killed my RAM and HDD ?
Anything that can kill a motherboard can potentially kill anything
attached to it. I had a PSU kill everything and STILL supply power to
kill the new stuff! I thought it was just the motherboard, and that was
a major catalyst for me to start learning more and more about PCs.
Basically, discard the PSU. Buy a reasonable brand name unit - they may
not last forever like some top of the range PSUs but they're a bit less
likely to let the magic smoke out of everything inside your case when
they go.
Test anything that you want to re-use, such as RAM, HDD, etc. Programs
such as memtest86+ and the manufacturer's diagnostics for the hard drive
are good places to start. CPU might have even survived! However, if it's
an older system you might be better off just replacing the
motherboard/CPU/RAM rather than trying to get a secondhand board
(assuming you're using an older socket, you haven't said) for components
that may or may not work.
You may be able to put in a claim on your home and contents insurance,
just make sure it's not going to up your premiums.
Cheers,
Ari
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It could be the PSU, but it *is* a Corsair 520HX. I heard they are one
of the better ones. Now, of course the PSU could be dead too, but when
I took the PC to the local shop, the guy had one of those
multimeter's. He could say with certainity it was or wasn't the PSU
and/or Motherboard.
LIke is aid, I swapped the PSu for a new one (Thermaltake) and still
nothing. I mean nothing at all. The same nothing when the old PSU was
in.
Reset the CMOS battery the other night, still nothing.
Last night, took out all the ram, video card, unplugged HDD/DVD
drives, put 1 RAM back in, still nothing.
At this point, I really believe it's only 2 things - MB or the case's
power switch. I feel it's the MB, and I hope I'm right. If not,
nothing lost but time.
Find out tonight for sure. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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On Nov 14, 1:05 pm, Geek Dad <mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | At this point, I really believe it's only 2 things - MB or the case's
power switch. I feel it's the MB, and I hope I'm right. If not,
nothing lost but time.
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Could still be anything including a power supply. You are
shotgunning which sometimes leads to confusion AND sometimes can even
exponentially complicate a problem. Provided was the only way to get
a reply that says something definitive. That means VDC numbers from a
multimeter.
How long is the list of known good components? None. Still
unknown: what is definitively good or definitively bad? Even a good
supply from one machine can be completely defective in another. A
defective supply can also boot a computer. Just more reasons why
swapping power supplies results in ‘maybe’ answers. Simplest solution
is to first see what exists long before replacing everything. 30
seconds using a meter is the only way you will get a useful and
definitive answer.
Why confusion? No definitive facts. Just shotgunning which is based
in speculation and which only results in 'maybe' answers. At this
point, you should know which components are ‘definitively’ (absolutely
no doubt) good. Meter would have reported that in 30 seconds. |
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Geek Dad
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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On Nov 14, 1:26 pm, west...@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 14, 1:05 pm, Geek Dad <mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
At this point, I really believe it's only 2 things - MB or the case's
power switch. I feel it's the MB, and I hope I'm right. If not,
nothing lost but time.
Could still be anything including a power supply. You are
shotgunning which sometimes leads to confusion AND sometimes can even
exponentially complicate a problem. Provided was the only way to get
a reply that says something definitive. That means VDC numbers from a
multimeter.
How long is the list of known good components? None. Still
unknown: what is definitively good or definitively bad? Even a good
supply from one machine can be completely defective in another. A
defective supply can also boot a computer. Just more reasons why
swapping power supplies results in ‘maybe’ answers. Simplest solution
is to first see what exists long before replacing everything. 30
seconds using a meter is the only way you will get a useful and
definitive answer.
Why confusion? No definitive facts. Just shotgunning which is based
in speculation and which only results in 'maybe' answers. At this
point, you should know which components are ‘definitively’ (absolutely
no doubt) good. Meter would have reported that in 30 seconds.
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I hear ya, but then why didn't the guy at the PC shop figure this out
with his meter? He plugged the PC in , ran his meter across it and
said leave it here for diagnostic or try swapping PSU.
I don't see how someone like me, an amateur at this meter stuff, would
fair any better than a pro. |
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spodosaurus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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The Amateur wrote:
| Quote: | It was Veteran's day and I had the day off from work. My 1 1/2 year
old son was harmlessly fiddling with the buttons on our printer while
I was on the computer doing a quick check of email and what-not, when
all of a sudden the computer went off. I look down and see my son's
hands had moved from the printer to the power button of the surge
protector. He turned it off. No big deal, I thought. Turned the surge
protector back on. Attempted to turn the computer back on and nothing.
Tried different outlets, nothing. Held the PC's power button in for a
few, nothing.
I went to the local PC shop and bought a new PSU, swapped the new for
the one in my PC, nothing. No power. No lights. Nothing. Returned the
new PSU to the shop.
Replaced my old PSU, took the battery out of the motherboard to reset
the CMOS, still nothing.
Now maybe I should have reset the CMOS with the new PSU in place,
because my old PSU could be fried too. Oh well.
So does anyone think my MB is dead?
Also, why would simply turning the surge protector off fry the MB?
Finally, could the shortage have spread and killed my RAM and HDD ?
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Anything that can kill a motherboard can potentially kill anything
attached to it. I had a PSU kill everything and STILL supply power to
kill the new stuff! I thought it was just the motherboard, and that was
a major catalyst for me to start learning more and more about PCs.
Basically, discard the PSU. Buy a reasonable brand name unit - they may
not last forever like some top of the range PSUs but they're a bit less
likely to let the magic smoke out of everything inside your case when
they go.
Test anything that you want to re-use, such as RAM, HDD, etc. Programs
such as memtest86+ and the manufacturer's diagnostics for the hard drive
are good places to start. CPU might have even survived! However, if it's
an older system you might be better off just replacing the
motherboard/CPU/RAM rather than trying to get a secondhand board
(assuming you're using an older socket, you haven't said) for components
that may or may not work.
You may be able to put in a claim on your home and contents insurance,
just make sure it's not going to up your premiums.
Cheers,
Ari
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Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/ |
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spodosaurus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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GMAN wrote:
| Quote: | In article <76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, "Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its turned
off...
Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam holding the
water in the river and only letting a little bit through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water comes
rushing down and kills anything in it's path ;)
At least that's my theory ! :)
Love your baby ! =D
Lessons learned for you and me and all of us: Never let babies play near
buttons or electrical devices !  :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Skybuck is damn right!!!
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Don't encourage him... *sigh*
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spodosaurus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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SteveH wrote:
| Quote: | "Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its
turned off...
Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam holding
the water in the river and only letting a little bit through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water comes
rushing down and kills anything in it's path ;)
Damn those drugs must be good!
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He pretends to take them but spits them out when the nurses aren't looking.
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volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/ |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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On Nov 14, 3:04 pm, Geek Dad <mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I hear ya, but then why didn't the guy at the PC shop figure this out
with his meter? He plugged the PC in , ran his meter across it and
said leave it here for diagnostic or try swapping PSU.
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Many if not most computer techs do not even know what a meter does.
To pass the A+ Certified Computer tech test, one needs no electrical
knowledge.
A principle is repeatedly stated in CSI. "Follow the evidence".
How may just speculated rather than follow some facts to a conclusion?
Fundamental concepts and knowing how to use diagnostics tools is rare
in PC repair. As Consumer Reports demonstrated in a recent issue,
most computer techs could not fix a simple problem. Instead many
replaced parts that were not defective.
In another discussion, Larc followed maybe 50 speculations of 'try
this and try that' before eventually doing what others even called
(due to no technical knowledge) dangerous. When Larc finally used a
meter, a very next post immediately eliminated the supply as a suspect
and immediately traced the problem down to one definitive suspect
(in http://tinyurl.com/6khcnf ):
| Quote: | These numbers says the power supply is perfectly good in this
computer. ...
The relevant power supply functions are working fine. So the
power supply controller is not telling the CPU to operate, or
some other motherboard function has failed.
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PC repair is chock full of repairmen who only understand shotgunning
- which is why Consumer Reports paid to replace so many perfectly good
parts and got computers fixed the first time. Instead, 'follow the
evidence'. If those numbers are posted, then a reply can be
definitive. Then also learn what happens inside a computer. All from
numbers that can be obtained in only 30 seconds so that the next reply
is informative.
In your case, VDC numbers from purple, green, and gray wires both
before and when power switch is pressed should report much without
doubt. |
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TVeblen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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<westom1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7f590d48-2fca-4e2c-8007-0315c9ef00d6@u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | On Nov 14, 3:04 pm, Geek Dad <mor...@gmail.com> wrote:
I hear ya, but then why didn't the guy at the PC shop figure this out
with his meter? He plugged the PC in , ran his meter across it and
said leave it here for diagnostic or try swapping PSU.
Many if not most computer techs do not even know what a meter does.
To pass the A+ Certified Computer tech test, one needs no electrical
knowledge.
A principle is repeatedly stated in CSI. "Follow the evidence".
How may just speculated rather than follow some facts to a conclusion?
Fundamental concepts and knowing how to use diagnostics tools is rare
in PC repair. As Consumer Reports demonstrated in a recent issue,
most computer techs could not fix a simple problem. Instead many
replaced parts that were not defective.
In another discussion, Larc followed maybe 50 speculations of 'try
this and try that' before eventually doing what others even called
(due to no technical knowledge) dangerous. When Larc finally used a
meter, a very next post immediately eliminated the supply as a suspect
and immediately traced the problem down to one definitive suspect
(in http://tinyurl.com/6khcnf ):
These numbers says the power supply is perfectly good in this
computer. ...
The relevant power supply functions are working fine. So the
power supply controller is not telling the CPU to operate, or
some other motherboard function has failed.
PC repair is chock full of repairmen who only understand shotgunning
- which is why Consumer Reports paid to replace so many perfectly good
parts and got computers fixed the first time. Instead, 'follow the
evidence'. If those numbers are posted, then a reply can be
definitive. Then also learn what happens inside a computer. All from
numbers that can be obtained in only 30 seconds so that the next reply
is informative.
In your case, VDC numbers from purple, green, and gray wires both
before and when power switch is pressed should report much without
doubt.
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Back in the day, when my friends and I used to work on cars, we called that
diagnostic approach the NODAT method (Naw-Dat).
"It could be the alternater" - replace it - "no, Nodat".
"Maybe it's the carburetor" - replace it - "no, Nodat". |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:59:34 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to say:
| Quote: | In article <gfirg0$5sd$1@aioe.org>, david <none@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:33:21 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to
say:
In article <76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
"Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its
turned off...
Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam
holding the water in the river and only letting a little bit
through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water
comes rushing down and kills anything in it's path ;)
At least that's my theory ! :)
Love your baby ! =D
Lessons learned for you and me and all of us: Never let babies play
near buttons or electrical devices ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Skybuck is damn right!!!
No he's not.
Yes, he is on this.
What part about "never letting a small child pull on or get near
electrical cords" don't YOU get?
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All this is pure Skybullshit:
| Quote: | Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam
holding
the water in the river and only letting a little bit through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water comes
rushing down and kills anything in it's path |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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<westom1@gmail.com> wrote:
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A principle is repeatedly stated in CSI. "Follow the evidence".
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I tried to watch that show once. Got about five minutes into it before I
turned it off.
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GMAN
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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In article <gfirg0$5sd$1@aioe.org>, david <none@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:33:21 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to say:
In article <76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
"Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its
turned off...
Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam holding
the water in the river and only letting a little bit through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water comes
rushing down and kills anything in it's path ;)
At least that's my theory ! :)
Love your baby ! =D
Lessons learned for you and me and all of us: Never let babies play near
buttons or electrical devices ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Skybuck is damn right!!!
No he's not.
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Yes, he is on this.
What part about "never letting a small child pull on or get near electrical
cords" don't YOU get? |
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TVeblen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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"GMAN" <glenzabr@nospam.xmission.com> wrote in message
news:gfn66q$gko$1@news.xmission.com...
| Quote: | In article <gfirg0$5sd$1@aioe.org>, david <none@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:33:21 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to say:
In article <76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
"Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its
turned off...
Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam holding
the water in the river and only letting a little bit through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water comes
rushing down and kills anything in it's path ;)
At least that's my theory ! :)
Love your baby ! =D
Lessons learned for you and me and all of us: Never let babies play near
buttons or electrical devices ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Skybuck is damn right!!!
No he's not.
Yes, he is on this.
What part about "never letting a small child pull on or get near
electrical
cords" don't YOU get?
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Larc
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:51:56 -0500, "TVeblen" <killtherobots@hal.net> wrote:
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| "GMAN" <glenzabr@nospam.xmission.com> wrote in message
| news:gfn66q$gko$1@news.xmission.com...
| > In article <gfirg0$5sd$1@aioe.org>, david <none@nospam.com> wrote:
| >>On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:33:21 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to say:
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| >>> In article <76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
| >>> "Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:
| >>>>Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its
| >>>>turned off...
| >>>>
| >>>>Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
| >>>>
| >>>>Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam holding
| >>>>the water in the river and only letting a little bit through...
| >>>>
| >>>>Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water comes
| >>>>rushing down and kills anything in it's path
| >>>>
| >>>>At least that's my theory ! 
| >>>>
| >>>>Love your baby ! =D
| >>>>
| >>>>Lessons learned for you and me and all of us: Never let babies play near
| >>>>buttons or electrical devices !
| >>>>
| >>>>Bye,
| >>>> Skybuck.
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>> Skybuck is damn right!!!
| >>
| >>No he's not.
| >
| > Yes, he is on this.
| >
| >
| > What part about "never letting a small child pull on or get near
| > electrical
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| Flame war. Steer clear my friend.
Flame wars can come in handy on cold days.
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GMAN
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Baby fried my MB |
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In article <gfnc92$agi$2@aioe.org>, david <none@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:59:34 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to say:
In article <gfirg0$5sd$1@aioe.org>, david <none@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:33:21 +0000, GMAN rearranged some electrons to
say:
In article <76195$491c675f$541981e1$21880@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
"Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:
Depands on what the surge protector does... and what happens when its
turned off...
Does electricity still flow when it's off ?
Then if yes... the surge protector would function as a water-dam
holding the water in the river and only letting a little bit
through...
Then when it's turned off it is like a dam-break... all the water
comes rushing down and kills anything in it's path ;)
At least that's my theory ! :)
Love your baby ! =D
Lessons learned for you and me and all of us: Never let babies play
near buttons or electrical devices ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Skybuck is damn right!!!
No he's not.
Yes, he is on this.
What part about "never letting a small child pull on or get near
electrical cords" don't YOU get?
All this is pure Skybullshit:
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I was only commenting on the baby touching electrical wires part. |
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