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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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Sylvain Robitaille <syl@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Alan Hicks wrote:
The book must be of use not only to people new to Slackware, but to
people new to Linux (and maybe even new to computers all together).
Leaving out things like vi and emacs[0] would make the book very
useless to them. ...
There are so many good sources of information out there for Unix/Linux
beginners that aren't specific to any Linux distribution (indeed some
aren't specific even to Linux), that it seems difficult to imagine
pointing someone to the Slackware book first.
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Yes, that's basically my thought, too. Although I purchased both
editions of Slackware Linux Essentials, and they remain within
easy reach, it's never occurred to me to look at them for answers
to the occasional vi question. Ditto for shell questions, etc.
But they're the first place I look for pkgtool questions, etc.
| Quote: | If they're that new,
chances are they're dealing with a system that has already been
installed for them, and needing now only to learn how to use it.
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Hasn't the "new linux user" market been taken over by Ubuntu (and
similar distributions)? The latest (rather than earliest)
professionally published Slackware book I have is Sams' Slackware
Linux Unleashed from 2000 (are there any more recent ones?).
Nowadays, bookstores carry zero Slackware books, whereas there
are about half a dozen Ubuntu books on Barnes&Noble's shelves
(far and away the greatest number for any specific distribution).
| Quote: | Do you honestly believe your book can compete with Harley Hahn's
(for example)?
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Apparently so. Or perhaps he's trying to develop such a book
through several evolving editions of this one. That'd be my
guess, but maybe he'll follow up with the real scoop on that.
| Quote: | ... The book is being organized not to differentiate between what's
Slackware and what's generic, but rather to begin with what a newbie
most likely needs to know and work up to harder concepts. Basically
after the prelude we get to the installer, then booting (I have no
idea how many newbies messed up dual-boot stuff with the old book, but
I suspect it's a lot), basic shell stuff and bash, then onto X, and
printing.
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But, Alan, it sounds like you're still trying to capture the
attention of new linux/unix users by making Slackware more
accessible to them between the pages of a single, relatively
short book. As mentioned above, hasn't that battle already
been lost to Ubuntu, etc? Wouldn't it be wiser trying to
capture the attention of somewhat more mature linux/unix users,
explaining why/how their needs would be better served by migrating
to Slackware? And it would also be nice to have a book that
serves the needs of the installed Slackware base.
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Sylvain Robitaille
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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Mike Denhoff wrote:
| Quote: | When I first started with Linux, I started with Slackware. As a
beginner, I was lost with the couple of big generic Linux books that I
had, ...
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Please review what I wrote that you responded to. I realize that there
are (and have been) a much greater number of not-so-good books out there
than there have been good ones. I would readily suggest that the
"couple of big generic Linux books" you had weren't any of the good
ones. That doesn't mean that there aren't good books out there, or that
those that are good aren't only good enough but some are rather
excellent.
For someone just starting with Linux, on an already installed system
(ie. either someone else installed it for them, or they're using something
like Ubuntu or similar "boot the CD and click on install" installations),
and wanting to learn to use it at a "user" level, I still don't hesitate
to point to Harley Hahn's books. They're not Linux-specific, but they're
worth their weight in gold.
If someone is getting into system administration, the Nemeth and Frisch
books are much better to turn to at that level than something that is
specific to Slackware. The value of a book about Slackware essentials
would (should?) be in its coverage of Slackware-specific essential
material. Anything beyond that and the quality of books that it needs
to compete with is quite high. That it already is better than other,
mediocre (and a lot of them are, at best), general Linux books isn't
particularly interesting (to me, at least).
| Quote: | while with the Slackware book (first edition) was much easier for me
to get a basic idea of Bash and the command line. I found the
Slackware book very valuable
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Is that because the other books you had were less good, or because you
didn't know there might be even better books out there?
| Quote: | Yes, only a small number of people will start using Linux with
Slackware as their first distribution, but I think those are valuable
people.
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My point is that those people are (probably?) better served by less
Slackware-specific books that are better known, but that the Slackware
essentials book might better serve its community if instead of trying to
be Yet Another General Linux/Unix Book, it really did focus on elements
that are specific to Slackware. I did also suggest in an earlier
posting that I'm not sure there's a book's worth of Slackware-specific
material, but that's slightly tangential to this discussion.
| Quote: | I agree with Alan, it is worth catering to the newbys.
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See Harley Hahn. You'll understand why I keep bringing up his name in
the context of such a book for new users. The books I know by him are
older, but perfectly relevant.
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Network and Systems analyst Concordia University
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Mike Denhoff
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:29:18 +0000, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
| Quote: | +Alan Hicks+ wrote:
The book must be of use not only to people new to Slackware, but to
people new to Linux (and maybe even new to computers all together).
Leaving out things like vi and emacs[0] would make the book very
useless to them. ...
There are so many good sources of information out there for Unix/Linux
beginners that aren't specific to any Linux distribution (indeed some
aren't specific even to Linux), that it seems difficult to imagine
pointing someone to the Slackware book first. If they're that new,
chances are they're dealing with a system that has already been
installed for them, and needing now only to learn how to use it.
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When I first started with Linux, I started with Slackware. As a beginner,
I was lost with the couple of big generic Linux books that I had, while
with the Slackware book (first edition) was much easier for me to get a
basic idea of Bash and the command line. I found the Slackware book very
valuable
Yes, only a small number of people will start using Linux with Slackware
as their first distribution, but I think those are valuable people. I
agree with Alan, it is worth catering to the newbys.
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notbob
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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On 2008-08-27, Sylvain Robitaille <syl@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
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I realize that Matt Welsh's book has become very non-Slackware specific,
but it appears to still be a very complete, very informational book. I
think the first Linux-specific book I owned (and still own) was his book
(second edition, if memory serves; I'll have to check when I'm home),
and that book got me from only knowing a little about Linux to setting
up a system with it to using it exclusively.
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I think Running Linux was bogus. I went along for a couple chapters just
fine, then BINGO!.... Matt throws out a couple terms that mean zip to me.
Now what? Can't look it up on the web, cuz my RH box is not configured for
networking yet. Much of the rest of the book is similar. It assumes too
much prior knowledge on the reader's part. Sorry, but I'd never recommend
this book to anyone. The Slack book is much better for the beginer. Hell,
Mark Sobell's Unix System V: A Practical Guide is a better book for the
beginning slacker. (he did a linux book, too, but I think he jes
re-released the unix book after s/unix/linux/'ing the script ;)
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Sylvain Robitaille
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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notbob wrote:
| Quote: | I think Running Linux was bogus. I went along for a couple chapters
just fine, then BINGO!.... Matt throws out a couple terms that mean
zip to me. Now what? Can't look it up on the web, cuz my RH box is
not configured for networking yet. Much of the rest of the book is
similar. It assumes too much prior knowledge on the reader's part.
Sorry, but I'd never recommend this book to anyone.
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Hrmmm... I didn't have that experience, but perhaps later versions made
different assumptions than the version I have. Perhaps also I may have
been starting from a position of "prior knowledge" that was being
assumed (having by that time already read Hahn's Unix Unbound and had
some experience with DEC Ultrix and OSF1/Dec-Unix, though no sys-admin
experience yet at the time).
| Quote: | The Slack book is much better for the beginer.
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Maybe. I found Running Linux was THE book to get started with
Slackware. For beginners, I find Hahn's books to be fantastic.
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Network and Systems analyst Concordia University
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MikeinAK
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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I think the book that served me the best and still does to this day is
Linux System Commands by Pat V. and Kevin Reichard that came with my
slack 7. If I run into a problem this has got to be the best for finding
that one command to make things work.
I admit I haven't looked at the other books mentioned but eh it works.
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+Alan Hicks+
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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On 2008-08-27, Sylvain Robitaille <syl@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | The book must be of use not only to people new to Slackware, but to
people new to Linux (and maybe even new to computers all together).
Leaving out things like vi and emacs[0] would make the book very
useless to them. ...
There are so many good sources of information out there for Unix/Linux
beginners that aren't specific to any Linux distribution (indeed some
aren't specific even to Linux), that it seems difficult to imagine
pointing someone to the Slackware book first. If they're that new,
chances are they're dealing with a system that has already been
installed for them, and needing now only to learn how to use it.
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I think you're making a lot of assumptions that aren't true in all
cases. I've received lots of thanks since the release of the second
edition from people all around the world. Volunteer efforts translated
the book and released it. In developing countries without Internet
access or many books on computer subjects, the slack book was used to
teach adults the basics of Linux/UNIX/Slackware. In situations like
these, you literally have to break it down into the smallest pieces.
And even if the computer has been installed for them, the Slack Book
covers much more than just the installation.
| Quote: | Do you
honestly believe your book can compete with Harley Hahn's (for example)?
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Never heard of him, and I suspect I'm in the vast majority there. He
may have published the greatest book of all time for all I know, but if
I haven't heard of him a newbie certainly hasn't.
| Quote: | ... The book is being organized not to differentiate between what's
Slackware and what's generic, but rather to begin with what a newbie
most likely needs to know and work up to harder concepts. Basically
after the prelude we get to the installer, then booting (I have no
idea how many newbies messed up dual-boot stuff with the old book, but
I suspect it's a lot), basic shell stuff and bash, then onto X, and
printing.
... and it will distinguish itself from Matt Welsh's book how?
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Seeing as how I haven't read "Running Linux" I am not in a position
currently to answer that question.
| Quote: | Don't get me wrong. It isn't that I don't appreciate that you're
intending to create something that will be useful to others, but I
honestly wonder about the need for it.
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I don't wonder about the need for it. There may be better options
available to people. Hell when we got started doing the second
edition, there were certainly better options for learning about Linux,
but none specific to Slackware. And that's what people were looking
for! There were many people who wanted the slackbook updated because
it's what they wanted to use even if it wasn't the best available
source of information.
Newbies aren't looking for a book on generic Linux (well, at least some
of them aren't); they're looking for a book on Slackware. It's really
that simple. Even if the alternatives are "better", they either don't
know about the alternatives, don't like them, or found them too
confusing.
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It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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Sylvain Robitaille
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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+Alan Hicks+ wrote:
| Quote: | ... I've received lots of thanks since the release of the second
edition from people all around the world. Volunteer efforts
translated the book and released it. ...
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Ok, so I gather than that the Slackware book is itself released under
some sort of "open-source" license, making it imminently more accessible
than traditional books, including those I've been mentioning. There's
value in that, I agree, but ...
| Quote: | In developing countries without Internet access or many books on
computer subjects, the slack book was used to teach adults the basics
of Linux/UNIX/Slackware. In situations like these, you literally have
to break it down into the smallest pieces.
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Realistically, what are people in developing countries with no access to
the Internet going to do with knowledge about Linux or Unix (let alone
Slackware-specific knowledge)? It's a complete failing of the culture in
our "developed" countries that we prioritize ensuring these people have
access to computers (with no network access) when we should instead be
pooling resources to ensure that they have sufficient access to food,
clean water, medicine, and basic education, because "in developing
countries without Internet access" these things tend to also be rather
scarce. That commentary is off-topic, though ...
| Quote: | And even if the computer has been installed for them, the Slack Book
covers much more than just the installation.
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Yes, I know, but my point was that other books, such as (but not
limited to) Harley Hahn's, cover beginner user material extremely well,
so yet another book covering that same material (when it might do better
to cover different material that is not so well covered elsewhere) seems
to me like not such a great idea.
| Quote: | Do you honestly believe your book can compete with Harley Hahn's (for
example)?
Never heard of him, and I suspect I'm in the vast majority there.
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Don't you think it would be in your interest to examine what books have
already been published that cover the material you're writing about.
How is a reader supposed to believe that your book is particularly well
researched if you don't know about other books covering the same (and
similar) material? Harley Hahn's books may be better known in academic
circles than in the mainstream. They're well worth reading, even if the
material is nothing more than review (and isn't Linux-specific).
| Quote: | ... if I haven't heard of him a newbie certainly hasn't.
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I don't see how that follows. I picked up a copy of one of his books
when *I* was a newbie to Unix, and recommended it (and another one that
we had at the time in our library) to newbies for years later. That you
haven't heard of him doesn't suggest to me that he's unknown, but rather
that you haven't researched the book you're writing (or maybe that you
haven't been around Unix and Linux long enough to *be* writing about it).
| Quote: | Seeing as how I haven't read "Running Linux" I am not in a position
currently to answer that question.
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Ditto my response above.
I haven't read newer versions of Running Linux, nor "Linux Installation
and Getting Started" that preceded it, and I know that others have
reported lesser impressions of the newer versions than I have of the first
edition, but were I looking to write a book on any topic, I certainly
would be spending some time in a library (or a few) checking out what
already has been published on the topic.
There isn't much point re-writing what has already been written, unless
you feel you have something new to add, or simply feel that you can
do it better, but both those scenarios depend on your knowing what has
already been written.
| Quote: | ... Hell when we got started doing the second edition, there were
certainly better options for learning about Linux, but none specific
to Slackware. ...
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Hrmmmm... A quick glance on Amazon.Com suggests that Slackware Linux
Essentails 2nd Edition was published on Jun 1, 2005. Is that correct?
Assuming that's correct, let's see what else Amazon lists as being
published before that date (with no prejudice towards whether any of
these would be "good" or "bad", let alone "better" or "worse" than
Slackware Linux Essentials 2nd Edition) ...
Slackware LINUX for Dummies (with CD-ROM) by Paul Gallegos
(Paperback - Mar 15, 2000)
(hrmmm ... I tend to be very fond of the "... for Dummies" books;
perhaps I'll pick up a copy of that one for that reason alone!)
Slackware Linux Unleashed (Unleashed) by Bao Ha, Tina Nguyen, and
Patrick St. Jean (Paperback - Dec 22, 1999)
Linux Bible, 2005 Edition by Christopher Negus
(Paperback - Feb 4, 2005)
(devotes a chapter to Slackware-specific information, according to
the abstract; probably not very far out of date with the then-current
Slackware, and likely covers a lot of Linux basics; probably not
published until after you had started on SLE2E, but since I don't know
when that was, I'm including this one.)
Install, Configure, and Customize Slackware LINUX (with CD-ROM)
by Joe Zonker Brockmeier and Jacek Artymiak (Paperback - Jan 15, 2000)
Slackware Linux Unleashed by Tim Parker (Paperback - Jan 1997)
The Slackware Linux Installation by Matt Welsh (Paperback - Jun 1996)
Linux: Configuration and Installation (Mis Press Slackware Series) by
Patrick Volkerding, Kevin Reichard, and Eric F. Johnson
(Paperback - Aug 1996)
Linux System Commands by Patrick Volkerding and Kevin Reichard
(Paperback - April 4, 2000)
| Quote: | And that's what people were looking for!
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The above listing was selected from the first third of the (204) results
of a keyword search on Amazon.com for "Slackware Linux" narrowing the
search down to books published prior to June 2005. Certainly if I'd
been looking for a Slackware Linux book around that time I likely would
have found and selected at least three of those ...
| Quote: | Newbies aren't looking for a book on generic Linux (well, at least some
of them aren't); they're looking for a book on Slackware.
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But you said yourself that the next edition of Slackware Linux Essentials
would not differentiate between what is generic Linux knowledge and what
is Slackware-specific (implying, of course that the book will contain
general Linux information), and in fact most (all?) of what you listed
as topics being worked on or considered really aren't Slackware-specific
at all.
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Michael Black
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
| Quote: | Slackware LINUX for Dummies (with CD-ROM) by Paul Gallegos
(Paperback - Mar 15, 2000)
(hrmmm ... I tend to be very fond of the "... for Dummies" books;
perhaps I'll pick up a copy of that one for that reason alone!)
I got a copy of that at a clearance table at Indigo in January of |
2001. I had installed Debian (on that 8meg ram/240meg hard drive
486 that I paid ten dollars for) and since it didn't have Pine (which
is what I was used to) and I was too much of a beginner, I was
looking for a different distribution. The Dummies book was cheap,
I saw that Slackware (7.0 was included) had Pine, and there I went.
I think it was a fair introduction. I think it included the important
things like "run updatedb after the install, and then you can use
locate to find things). Of course, like a lot of books, much of the
text was about installing Linux.
WHat I do wonder is how much of a template it uses. A lot of Linux
books seem to have a fixed format, and then they merely change the
specifics according to the distribution.
One thing about the Dummies series is that the cover price tends
to be lower than many LInux books. "Running Linux" is close to
sixty dollars in Canada, so I'm not convinced I really need
the latest edition. If you can get enough from the Dummies book
to get started, then likely it is a good choice; after you have
a certain level of familiarity, you can find information other
ways.
The problem is that LInux is big, and once you've done the install
and got some of the basic commands down, there's not that much
about using it. So if I wanted to know about Gimp, it's not there.
ANd of course, it's dated (and of finite size) so when I got a USB
scanner some years later, the book didn't cover it.
I seem to collect Unix/Linux books (cheap at clearances and book sales
and even once on top of someone's recycling bin), so I have quite
the collection. A lot of the books do suffer. Up front, they look
useful, but then when you need to find something, it's not there.
In part because they are older editions, but that's not it completely.
I got a copy of "LInux System Administration Unleashed", and bought
it because it looked useful. Then, it turns out to have a lot of
wasted space as it goes through the distributions. Every time something
comes up, they go through the major distributions "Slackware does it
this way, Redhat does it that way, Debian does it a third way" but it
doesn't work. It's nitpicking on unimportant differences, and not
dealing with important ones.
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Mark Madsen
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:40:58 +0000, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
| Quote: | Ok, so I gather than that the Slackware book is itself released under
some sort of "open-source" license, making it imminently more accessible
than traditional books, including those I've been mentioning. There's
value in that, I agree, but ...
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Sylvain, it's not only about licences. The Slack book comes with the
distro, and is free to read and use. None of the other books that you
mention are included with Slackware. This is a significant distinction.
Given that, Alan's original question may be rephrased as: "How can the
Slackware book be made more useful to Slackware users?" Yes, one can
have endless debates about whether some sections of the book are
redundant for certain classes of reader, but that is true of any book.
Don't need to have {networking | the shell | partitioning | other}
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Sylvain Robitaille <syl@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | +Alan Hicks+ wrote:
The book must be of use not only to people new to Slackware, but to
people new to Linux (and maybe even new to computers all together).
Leaving out things like vi and emacs[0] would make the book very
useless to them. ...
There are so many good sources of information out there for Unix/Linux
beginners that aren't specific to any Linux distribution (indeed some
aren't specific even to Linux), that it seems difficult to imagine
pointing someone to the Slackware book first. If they're that new,
chances are they're dealing with a system that has already been
installed for them, and needing now only to learn how to use it. Do you
honestly believe your book can compete with Harley Hahn's (for example)?
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I didn't get the impression Alan was looking to write a general intro
to *nix book, but instead a Slackware specific one that covers some enough
of the basics to get started with - kind of like the current Slackware
book(s). I might be missing something here though - I'm not familiar wth
Hahn's book and didn't know there were other up to date Slackware oriented
books out there.
Myself, I don't see the need for a complete rewrite. I would say
update the book to meet the current installation, and possibly add
new sections covering additional system config. The reason why the
group effort on the original rewrite fell apart is too many people
bit off way more than they could chew, and lost interest over time.
As for general Linux, I agree there are plenty of great resources already
out there - trying to match something like the rute book would more or
less simply be an exercise for the author to better hone his own skills,
than fill a need in the open source documentation world.
To Alan, honestly, if this is to be a complete rewrite, I would name it
something else so the current version can continue to be updated. It is a
good, simple, and quick guide to getting started with Slackware Linux. One
of the nice things about it is it doesn't take a lot of time to read the
entire book, yet it is packed with a great deal of useful information.
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Xavier Maillard
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+Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.netWORK> writes:
| Quote: | Yeap, that's right. Work has begun on a new Slackware Book to replace
Slackware Linux Essentials 2nd Edition. Very little details have been
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Mark Madsen
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:14:46 +0200, Xavier Maillard wrote:
| Quote: | +Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.netWORK> writes:
Yeap, that's right. Work has begun on a new Slackware Book to replace
Slackware Linux Essentials 2nd Edition. Very little details have been
Glad to read that. Hopefully the price won't be too high this time...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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Glyn Millington <wistanswick@linuxmail.org> trolled:
| Quote: | +Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.netWORK> writes:
Yeap, that's right. Work has begun on a new Slackware Book to
replace Slackware Linux Essentials 2nd Edition. Very little
details have been released just yet.
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Perhaps that's because the book contains very few details worth
releasing...
| Quote: | The new book is a complete rewrite from scratch with nothing[0].
Really good news 
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We still haven't yet figured out how to use digital toilet paper.
cordially, as always,
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - New Slackware Book Scheduled for Mid-2009 |
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Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> trolled:
| Quote: | If I may, the point of The Book is to be one book for a relative
beginner to get started with Slackware. So it pretty much needs
to cover the non-Slackware specific parts of linux/UNIX or a
newbie would be pretty lost.
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Can you point out the "relative beginner" to linux who doesn't need
help with his printer?
| Quote: | The book itself could be divided into "Slackware" and "Linux",
though that may not be an easy division to make.
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How about a section on windoze? At least enough to remind the
reader that he or she has made a huge mistake...
cordially, as always,
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