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houghi
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Nice to know. It is a bitch to copare AMD and Intell/
Check this:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
Thanks. I will probably see that I can rip that, remove out all the dual
things and then also add prices to it and then make some usefull
comparisons, instead of either an alphabetical list or a list on mere
speed where most of them are irrelevant.
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OK, here is what I did. I removed everything that was slower then the
AMD 9950 I was focussing on. I also removed all measurements with 2
processors or more. Also the Xeon was removed. I then looked at the
prices of Alternate.nl
Processor Mark Price
Intel Core2 Extreme X9770 @ 3.20GHz 5044 1199
Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz 4084 269
Intel Core2 Extreme X9650 @ 3.00GHz 4008 479
Intel Core2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 3654 269
Intel Core2 Extreme Q6800 @ 2.93GHz 3551
Intel Core2 Quad Q9300 @ 2.50GHz 3390 225
Intel Core2 Extreme Q6850 @ 3.00GHz 3380
Intel Core2 Quad Q6700 @ 2.66GHz 3024
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2691 159
AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core 2661 189
On first glance, the Q9550 is the best buy. If I would be happy with the
speed of the AMD, the Q6600 is better, because it is cheaper.
The question then is, is the Q9550 worth the extra 90EUR? So let us look
at this again. Price per mark. I removed those where I did not have a
price:
Processor Mark Price Price/Mark
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2691 159 5.91%
Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz 4084 269 6.59%
Intel Core2 Quad Q9300 @ 2.50GHz 3390 225 6.64%
AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core 2661 189 7.10%
Intel Core2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 3654 269 7.36%
Intel Core2 Extreme X9650 @ 3.00GHz 4008 479 11.95%
Intel Core2 Extreme X9770 @ 3.20GHz 5044 1199 23.77%
So there. This has absolutely not helped me, but instead gave me more
options to select from. Darn!
houghi
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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Vahis wrote:
| Quote: | So there. This has absolutely not helped me, but instead gave me more
options to select from. Darn!
Look also at power consumption, that's another good point, less wattage is
less noise and cheaper to run 
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Cheaper to run? I do not have an electricity bill. 
The noise? I am seriously thinking about watercooling.
| Quote: | Another factor will step in when you actually step into the shop with
some money:
Make a list of you components and show that in shops with some money.
They will bargain when they see the money.
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Not an option. The shops I can walk into will never be able to get to
the prices I could get online. e.g. alternate.nl is in anouter country
and if they would bargain when I am there (which they don't) I would not
be able to put serious presure on them, because I otherwise would loose
my money I spend on travel. And that is again more expensive then them
delivering it.
| Quote: | As for your proc dilemma:
I would go higher in the proc if I had the money. But otoh they'll come
down in time.
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If I would have the money, I would go for a dual rack. One full of 1TB
HD's. In a rack you should be able to put about 200 of them in there.
The other rack a variation of hardaware. Those will then be connected to
my 2 huge flatscreens (1 in the living and 1 in the bedroom) 3 large
computer monitors and 1 small monitor. The small oe will be in the
bathroom, with watertoght keyboard and mouse. :-D
The price of that all would be 250.000-500.000 EUR.
On the lowerend, I spend nothing and keep working with my PC, which will
cost me 0EUR.
| Quote: | Thas was helpful, wasn't it
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Yeah, thanks. (NOT!)
houghi
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theme will be that most neuroses can be traced to the unhealthy habit
of wallowing in the troubles of five billion strangers. -- Heinlein |
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Vahis
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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On 2008-08-28, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | houghi wrote:
Nice to know. It is a bitch to copare AMD and Intell/
Check this:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
Thanks. I will probably see that I can rip that, remove out all the dual
things and then also add prices to it and then make some usefull
comparisons, instead of either an alphabetical list or a list on mere
speed where most of them are irrelevant.
OK, here is what I did. I removed everything that was slower then the
AMD 9950 I was focussing on. I also removed all measurements with 2
processors or more. Also the Xeon was removed. I then looked at the
prices of Alternate.nl
Processor Mark Price
Intel Core2 Extreme X9770 @ 3.20GHz 5044 1199
Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz 4084 269
Intel Core2 Extreme X9650 @ 3.00GHz 4008 479
Intel Core2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 3654 269
Intel Core2 Extreme Q6800 @ 2.93GHz 3551
Intel Core2 Quad Q9300 @ 2.50GHz 3390 225
Intel Core2 Extreme Q6850 @ 3.00GHz 3380
Intel Core2 Quad Q6700 @ 2.66GHz 3024
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2691 159
AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core 2661 189
On first glance, the Q9550 is the best buy. If I would be happy with the
speed of the AMD, the Q6600 is better, because it is cheaper.
The question then is, is the Q9550 worth the extra 90EUR?
So let us look
at this again. Price per mark. I removed those where I did not have a
price:
Processor Mark Price Price/Mark
Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2691 159 5.91%
Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz 4084 269 6.59%
Intel Core2 Quad Q9300 @ 2.50GHz 3390 225 6.64%
AMD Phenom 9950 Quad-Core 2661 189 7.10%
Intel Core2 Quad Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 3654 269 7.36%
Intel Core2 Extreme X9650 @ 3.00GHz 4008 479 11.95%
Intel Core2 Extreme X9770 @ 3.20GHz 5044 1199 23.77%
So there. This has absolutely not helped me, but instead gave me more
options to select from. Darn!
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Look also at power consumption, that's another good point, less wattage is
less noise and cheaper to run :)
Another factor will step in when you actually step into the shop with
some money:
Make a list of you components and show that in shops with some money.
They will bargain when they see the money.
As for your proc dilemma:
I would go higher in the proc if I had the money. But otoh they'll come
down in time.
Thas was helpful, wasn't it :)
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Vahis
http://waxborg.servepics.com
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"You can teach them to type, but you can't teach them to grow tits." |
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Yeah, thanks. (NOT!)
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OK, the deed is done. I have orderd the PC and will be picking it up
today. :-D
So what have I orderd?
2 x nVidea GeForce 8600 GT video cards
1 x Intell Q9550
1 x CPU 750 W Toughpower CM
1 x Big tower
1 Mobo
4 x 2GB DDR2 1066
2 x 500GB HD (Will probably add more in the future)
1 Bigwater watercooling
2 x 120cm fans
2 x 140cm fans
1150EUR for everything (Including probably 700 kilo of packaging)
What I will add from my system is the following:
2 x DVD/CD combo writer
1 x PCI IDE
2 x 160GB IDE
2 x other IDE stuff (unsure if this will be CD players or HD's)
1 x PCI tv card
And if I can still use the last PCI, an extra soundcard.
Conected to 2 x 1920x1200 24" and 1 x 1600x1200 20"
I will also look at overclocking. I will see that I can document
everything. From the start till the poweroutage in Leuven when I start
it up. :-D
houghi
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Remind me to write an article on the compulsive reading of news. The
theme will be that most neuroses can be traced to the unhealthy habit
of wallowing in the troubles of five billion strangers. -- Heinlein |
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Paul J Gans
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Vahis wrote:
So there. This has absolutely not helped me, but instead gave me more
options to select from. Darn!
Look also at power consumption, that's another good point, less wattage is
less noise and cheaper to run :)
Cheaper to run? I do not have an electricity bill.
The noise? I am seriously thinking about watercooling.
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You have to cool everything, including memory and the
hard drives. That means fans in addition to water.
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Vahis
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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On 2008-08-29, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Vahis wrote:
So there. This has absolutely not helped me, but instead gave me more
options to select from. Darn!
Look also at power consumption, that's another good point, less wattage is
less noise and cheaper to run :)
Cheaper to run? I do not have an electricity bill.
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Think of your ecological footprint and the children of the future :)
| Quote: | The noise? I am seriously thinking about watercooling.
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I was (still am) prepared to liquid.
Mainly because I thought I might go to 3+ GHz some time, which is easy
with this equpment to do.
Actually I gained experience with my old system, there was no other way
to make it silent. I ran watercooling like two years.
It was more silent but not more efficient.
This system needs no liquid, I'm on air and whispering.
Since I'm not able to load over 100 % which means I only have one core
load max in use, I've forgotten about clocking for the moment :)
I can make it go to 200 - 300 % by charching with all kinds of
benchmarks and stuff but this system was made to run my real things.
Whatever I do one core may go to 100 % and another maybe 10- 15 %.
Everything happens immediately and I'm happy with that.
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Another factor will step in when you actually step into the shop with
some money:
Make a list of you components and show that in shops with some money.
They will bargain when they see the money.
Not an option. The shops I can walk into will never be able to get to
the prices I could get online. e.g. alternate.nl is in anouter country
and if they would bargain when I am there (which they don't) I would not
be able to put serious presure on them, because I otherwise would loose
my money I spend on travel. And that is again more expensive then them
delivering it.
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OK. Stopping by is easy for me, there are big international shops and I
drive a cab :)
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As for your proc dilemma:
I would go higher in the proc if I had the money. But otoh they'll come
down in time.
If I would have the money, I would go for a dual rack. One full of 1TB
HD's. In a rack you should be able to put about 200 of them in there.
The other rack a variation of hardaware. Those will then be connected to
my 2 huge flatscreens (1 in the living and 1 in the bedroom) 3 large
computer monitors and 1 small monitor. The small oe will be in the
bathroom, with watertoght keyboard and mouse. :-D
The price of that all would be 250.000-500.000 EUR.
On the lowerend, I spend nothing and keep working with my PC, which will
cost me 0EUR.
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The HD video was my reasoning.
The protuberances come nowadays in hi res :)
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Thas was helpful, wasn't it :)
Yeah, thanks. (NOT!)
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Don't mention it :)
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Vahis
http://waxborg.servepics.com
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Vahis
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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On 2008-08-29, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | houghi wrote:
Yeah, thanks. (NOT!)
OK, the deed is done. I have orderd the PC and will be picking it up
today.
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Congrats
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So what have I orderd?
2 x nVidea GeForce 8600 GT video cards
1 x Intell Q9550
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Great
| Quote: | 1 x CPU 750 W Toughpower CM
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PSU :)
| Quote: | 1 x Big tower
1 Mobo
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Which mother?
| Quote: | 4 x 2GB DDR2 1066
2 x 500GB HD (Will probably add more in the future)
1 Bigwater watercooling
2 x 120cm fans
2 x 140cm fans
1150EUR for everything (Including probably 700 kilo of packaging)
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Double to mine
How much in BLF?
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What I will add from my system is the following:
2 x DVD/CD combo writer
1 x PCI IDE
2 x 160GB IDE
2 x other IDE stuff (unsure if this will be CD players or HD's)
1 x PCI tv card
And if I can still use the last PCI, an extra soundcard.
Conected to 2 x 1920x1200 24" and 1 x 1600x1200 20"
I will also look at overclocking. I will see that I can document
everything. From the start till the poweroutage in Leuven when I start
it up.
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There the mobo is the key :)
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Vahis
http://waxborg.servepics.com
Congressman Wilson has an expression:
"You can teach them to type, but you can't teach them to grow tits." |
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Chris Maaskant
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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houghi schreef:
| Quote: | So what have I orderd?
2 x nVidea GeForce 8600 GT video cards
1 x Intell Q9550
I will also look at overclocking.
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Why with a system like that?
What kind of performance gain do you expect?
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Paul J Gans
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Asus P5 series mobo:s and integrated nic |
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houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | houghi wrote:
Yeah, thanks. (NOT!)
OK, the deed is done. I have orderd the PC and will be picking it up
today. :-D
So what have I orderd?
2 x nVidea GeForce 8600 GT video cards
1 x Intell Q9550
1 x CPU 750 W Toughpower CM
1 x Big tower
1 Mobo
4 x 2GB DDR2 1066
2 x 500GB HD (Will probably add more in the future)
1 Bigwater watercooling
2 x 120cm fans
2 x 140cm fans
1150EUR for everything (Including probably 700 kilo of packaging)
What I will add from my system is the following:
2 x DVD/CD combo writer
1 x PCI IDE
2 x 160GB IDE
2 x other IDE stuff (unsure if this will be CD players or HD's)
1 x PCI tv card
And if I can still use the last PCI, an extra soundcard.
Conected to 2 x 1920x1200 24" and 1 x 1600x1200 20"
I will also look at overclocking. I will see that I can document
everything. From the start till the poweroutage in Leuven when I start
it up.
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Good luck Houghi! Sounds great!!!
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