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RonB
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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Well, I'm upset now... |
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I heard all the stories about the horrors of getting a printer to work under
Linux, so was looking forward to "rolling up my sleeves" and seeing if I
could make an old HP LaserJet 1100 work under SUSE 11.0. Imagine my dismay
when all I had to do was open Yast, go to Hardware, then Printers and watch
Linux do everything automatically.
Damn this Linux is hard to configure.
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RonB
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Terry Porter
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:57:38 -0600, RonB wrote:
| Quote: | I heard all the stories about the horrors of getting a printer to work
under Linux, so was looking forward to "rolling up my sleeves" and
seeing if I could make an old HP LaserJet 1100 work under SUSE 11.0.
Imagine my dismay when all I had to do was open Yast, go to Hardware,
then Printers and watch Linux do everything automatically.
Damn this Linux is hard to configure.
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Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
By comparison, what you have done is sheer genius :)
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indeed listen to. Trolls are not among those people, as trolls, more or
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RonB
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Terry Porter wrote:
| Quote: | Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
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That poor flatline--- has the damnest luck, doesn't he? But, then, so does
Hadron and several others who extoll the virtues of Windows but are
attracted like magnets to Linux adovacy. And the fact that the "Okay"
button is on the "wrong" side of the form just totally leaves Snit
flummoxed. I feel for the poor guys... I really do.
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Hadron
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Terry Porter wrote:
Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
That poor flatline--- has the damnest luck, doesn't he? But, then, so does
Hadron and several others who extoll the virtues of Windows but are
attracted like magnets to Linux adovacy. And the fact that the "Okay"
button is on the "wrong" side of the form just totally leaves Snit
flummoxed. I feel for the poor guys... I really do.
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What is so amusing is that you two are the cause for Linux being so
poorly received. This works for you in this case with this printer and
you think the job is done.
Well lads it's not. There are thousands upon thousands of different
combinations which need to be catered for using a robustly engineered
approach.
It *IS* a lot better. But recently for example my printer kept
reinstalling itself (Officejet 6110) in Debian and the scanner crapped
out completely. A few updates later and it worked again.
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RonB
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Hadron wrote:
| Quote: | What is so amusing is that you two are the cause for Linux being so
poorly received. This works for you in this case with this printer and
you think the job is done.
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It's not just the printer -- it's everything. That's why I find all these "I
can't get Linux to work" screeds to be so full of... uh, let's just say I
find the claims to be "dubious."
| Quote: | Well lads it's not. There are thousands upon thousands of different
combinations which need to be catered for using a robustly engineered
approach.
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Or, hell, we could just go the Windows Vista route and say, "you'll need to
upgrade your hardware." For the average user who doesn't try to outthink
himself, a Linux install is easier than a Windows install. Everything is
one place, you don't have to go out looking for drivers.
| Quote: | It IS a lot better. But recently for example my printer kept
reinstalling itself (Officejet 6110) in Debian and the scanner crapped
out completely. A few updates later and it worked again.
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Some people probably shouldn't use Linux because they're just so
damned "unlucky."
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Snit
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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"RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> stated in post
gg33gb$dn$1@reader.motzarella.org on 11/20/08 12:23 AM:
| Quote: | Terry Porter wrote:
Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
That poor flatline--- has the damnest luck, doesn't he? But, then, so does
Hadron and several others who extoll the virtues of Windows but are
attracted like magnets to Linux adovacy. And the fact that the "Okay"
button is on the "wrong" side of the form just totally leaves Snit
flummoxed. I feel for the poor guys... I really do.
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Maybe you do not know the meaning of the word "flummoxed"? If you do you
are just making thing up about me.
You, however, are clearly flummoxed about why it clearly *is* a mistake to
have an (arbitrarily) inconsistent UI.
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Hadron
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Hadron wrote:
What is so amusing is that you two are the cause for Linux being so
poorly received. This works for you in this case with this printer and
you think the job is done.
It's not just the printer -- it's everything. That's why I find all these "I
can't get Linux to work" screeds to be so full of... uh, let's just say I
find the claims to be "dubious."
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You reinforce my point still further.
Do you think that people WANT to make this stuff up?
Go and read the forums.
Or this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7594249.stm
Or read my posts about battling with backports and pinning to get Debian
installed for my *new* HW.
I'll be sensible if you promise not to stick your head in the sand and
say "works for me".
No one cares. Least of all the people who it does not work for. |
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Peter Köhlmann
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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RonB wrote:
| Quote: | Hadron wrote:
What is so amusing is that you two are the cause for Linux being so
poorly received. This works for you in this case with this printer and
you think the job is done.
It's not just the printer -- it's everything. That's why I find all these
"I can't get Linux to work" screeds to be so full of... uh, let's just say
I find the claims to be "dubious."
Well lads it's not. There are thousands upon thousands of different
combinations which need to be catered for using a robustly engineered
approach.
Or, hell, we could just go the Windows Vista route and say, "you'll need
to upgrade your hardware." For the average user who doesn't try to
outthink himself, a Linux install is easier than a Windows install.
Everything is one place, you don't have to go out looking for drivers.
It IS a lot better. But recently for example my printer kept
reinstalling itself (Officejet 6110) in Debian and the scanner crapped
out completely. A few updates later and it worked again.
Some people probably shouldn't use Linux because they're just so
damned "unlucky."
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It is strange how much bad luck Hadron Quark has with his hardware/software
choices.
And then this incredible problems with one of the most problemfree printers.
A "few updates later" of what, exactly? There have not been many CUPS
updates lately, in fact, it where very few. And none broke anything with HP
printers
He should take a break from all these hassles. Perhaps a whiff of XP would
do him some good
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Peter Köhlmann
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Hadron wrote:
| Quote: | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
Hadron wrote:
What is so amusing is that you two are the cause for Linux being so
poorly received. This works for you in this case with this printer and
you think the job is done.
It's not just the printer -- it's everything. That's why I find all these
"I can't get Linux to work" screeds to be so full of... uh, let's just
say I find the claims to be "dubious."
You reinforce my point still further.
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Really? If you haven't noticed, he is highly doubting that your problems
(for example your hp6110/debian) are real. He thinks (and I am sure most do
so) that you made that up out of full cloth
| Quote: | Do you think that people WANT to make this stuff up?
Go and read the forums.
Or this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7594249.stm
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Well, it says *nothing* about printer problems and debian
| Quote: | Or read my posts about battling with backports and pinning to get Debian
installed for my *new* HW.
I'll be sensible if you promise not to stick your head in the sand and
say "works for me".
No one cares. Least of all the people who it does not work for.
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Well, it is strange how many things "don't work" for you. Because I have
*none* of the problems you "reported". Not a single one. Ever
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Phil Da Lick!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Snit wrote:
| Quote: | "RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> stated in post
gg33gb$dn$1@reader.motzarella.org on 11/20/08 12:23 AM:
Terry Porter wrote:
Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
That poor flatline--- has the damnest luck, doesn't he? But, then, so does
Hadron and several others who extoll the virtues of Windows but are
attracted like magnets to Linux adovacy. And the fact that the "Okay"
button is on the "wrong" side of the form just totally leaves Snit
flummoxed. I feel for the poor guys... I really do.
Maybe you do not know the meaning of the word "flummoxed"? If you do you
are just making thing up about me.
You, however, are clearly flummoxed about why it clearly *is* a mistake to
have an (arbitrarily) inconsistent UI.
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Go tell that to microsoft who are happily breaking windows UI guidelines
skinning each of their products individually. |
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Peter Köhlmann
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Phil Da Lick! wrote:
| Quote: | Snit wrote:
"RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> stated in post
gg33gb$dn$1@reader.motzarella.org on 11/20/08 12:23 AM:
Terry Porter wrote:
Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
That poor flatline--- has the damnest luck, doesn't he? But, then, so
does Hadron and several others who extoll the virtues of Windows but are
attracted like magnets to Linux adovacy. And the fact that the "Okay"
button is on the "wrong" side of the form just totally leaves Snit
flummoxed. I feel for the poor guys... I really do.
Maybe you do not know the meaning of the word "flummoxed"? If you do you
are just making thing up about me.
You, however, are clearly flummoxed about why it clearly *is* a mistake
to have an (arbitrarily) inconsistent UI.
Go tell that to microsoft who are happily breaking windows UI guidelines
skinning each of their products individually.
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That incredibly incompetent "IT teacher" still has not grasped the fact that
it is up to each linux user how "consistent" his UI is.
Apart from the fact that it takes a few µseconds at most for a normal user
to adapt to a slightly different look. Not everyone is a typical Snot
Glasser victim^H^H^Hclient
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Phil Da Lick!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Peter Köhlmann wrote:
| Quote: | Phil Da Lick! wrote:
Snit wrote:
"RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> stated in post
gg33gb$dn$1@reader.motzarella.org on 11/20/08 12:23 AM:
Terry Porter wrote:
Don't sell your skills short RonB, what you managed to do would have
taken Flatfish at least 24 months, 200 posts of "Linux fails again"
and 4000 followups telling him hes a twat!
That poor flatline--- has the damnest luck, doesn't he? But, then, so
does Hadron and several others who extoll the virtues of Windows but are
attracted like magnets to Linux adovacy. And the fact that the "Okay"
button is on the "wrong" side of the form just totally leaves Snit
flummoxed. I feel for the poor guys... I really do.
Maybe you do not know the meaning of the word "flummoxed"? If you do you
are just making thing up about me.
You, however, are clearly flummoxed about why it clearly *is* a mistake
to have an (arbitrarily) inconsistent UI.
Go tell that to microsoft who are happily breaking windows UI guidelines
skinning each of their products individually.
That incredibly incompetent "IT teacher" still has not grasped the fact that
it is up to each linux user how "consistent" his UI is.
Apart from the fact that it takes a few µseconds at most for a normal user
to adapt to a slightly different look. Not everyone is a typical Snot
Glasser victim^H^H^Hclient
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Yeah deffo but I do agree (somewhat) that for beginners a consistent
look and feel is a bonus. That was the big selling point of windows up
to the release of 95. Straight after that MS started giving their
products different skins with office 95 onwards. Now compare and
contrast some of MS's offerings on the application side. There's no
consistent look and feel with each other, or the operating system. They
create an OS skinning layer with XP then basically ignore it. Madness. |
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Sinister Midget
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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On 2008-11-20, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlmann@arcor.de> claimed:
| Quote: | RonB wrote:
Some people probably shouldn't use Linux because they're just so
damned "unlucky."
It is strange how much bad luck Hadron Quark has with his hardware/software
choices.
And then this incredible problems with one of the most problemfree printers.
A "few updates later" of what, exactly? There have not been many CUPS
updates lately, in fact, it where very few. And none broke anything with HP
printers
He should take a break from all these hassles. Perhaps a whiff of XP would
do him some good
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Quirk has so many problems with such simple things he's probably
completely miserable every waking minute of every day. His best bet
would be to neck himself.
I know if I was that incompetent I'd be afraid to open my blinds, what
with the ridicule and shame. Plus I'd never know when I might pull some
really goofy blunder that might make my humilation far worse, only to
find myself in the middle of a crowd of people who all know me and are
sure to remember my boners for the rest of their lives.
No, the only real solution would be to get outta this world as quickly
as possible. Off himself while he can still leave with a small sense of
dignity.
C'mon, Quack. You know you want to. Some of us love you enough that we
want you to, too. You know, so you can stop being so miserable.
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High Plains Thumper
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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Hadron wrote:
| Quote: | Or read my posts about battling with backports and pinning to
get Debian installed for my *new* HW.
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http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/31f89fd9cbf6a63a
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:42:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [troll alert] Windows PowerShell vs. bash examples
Hadron wrote:
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| Quote: | I use nothing but Debian now and certainly know a lot more
about it than Peter or Liarnut. And most definitely more about
it than High Plains Hypocrite or Willy who STILL do not
understand about backports and pinning.
I pointed them to the following link so they could TRY to
understand about Etch and new HW. It failed unfortunately
since they refuse to be corrected.
For some reason Dumb Willy and High Plains Hypocrite think
that "Stable" mean it was "stable" and "works" with
everything. They were, and are, of course wrong.
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Use of the insulting terms, "Liarnut", "Dumb Willy" and "High
Plains Hypocrite" instead of the proper spellings of the nyms
"Linonut", "William Poaster" and "High Plains Thumper" are
examples of:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
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Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
If anyone does anything which will interfere with the troll's
ability to cause mayhem, they can become very nasty, posting from
obviously incorrect variations of the name etc., insults, call
them netcops, netnannies, homosexuals.
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| Quote: | http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
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Interesting that Hadron made no mention of using EtchAndAHalf:
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Hadron <hadronqu...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:40:42 +0100
Subject: Re: Almost impressive
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Firstly I use Debian Lenny because "stable" is so "unstable" :
Lenny gives me daily updates and one can notice it getting better
day by day.
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http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/hadron-quark-troll.html
Debian Stable is one of the most widely used distros for mission
critical applications and where one wants minimal impact to
production work. Very few require bleeding edge software to be
productive.
Yet Hadron insists that Debian Stable is full of bugs and too
backward for usage:
Subject: Re: [News] Sister OS to Linux, OS-X Has Better TCO than
Microsoft Windows
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:50:07 +0100
Message-ID: fr08c1$9e...@registered.motzarella.org
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| Quote: | Hadron has an apparent inability to recognise how more
consistent usage of Debian Stable will only help his usage of
the product, preferring unstable versions of Debian; if not
for the only reason as an opportunity to attack Linux/OSS.
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Once more for the hard of brain power : I use testing. Not
unstable. And I use it for a reason - Debian Stable is simply too
buggy and backward and I cant be arsed to manage pinning or
selectively monitoring backports.
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(If all else fails, play dead)
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William Poaster
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Well, I'm upset now... |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:56:37 -0700, High Plains Thumper wrote:
| Quote: | Hadron wrote:
Or read my posts about battling with backports and pinning to get Debian
installed for my *new* HW.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/31f89fd9cbf6a63a
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:42:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [troll alert] Windows
PowerShell vs. bash examples
Hadron wrote:
[...]
I use nothing but Debian now and certainly know a lot more about it than
Peter or Liarnut. And most definitely more about it than High Plains
Hypocrite or Willy who STILL do not understand about backports and
pinning.
I pointed them to the following link so they could TRY to understand
about Etch and new HW. It failed unfortunately since they refuse to be
corrected.
For some reason Dumb Willy and High Plains Hypocrite think that "Stable"
mean it was "stable" and "works" with everything. They were, and are, of
course wrong.
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And Quack can, of *course* post a M-ID where I've said "that I've said
"that "Stable" mean it was "stable" and "works" with everything." can't he.
That *isn't* the meaning of stable at all, as I've often quoted from the
*Debian website*:
<quote>
The "stable" distribution contains the latest officially released distribution of Debian.
This is the production release of Debian, **the one which we primarily
recommend using** <unquote>
- http://www.debian.org/releases/
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If security or stability are at all important for you: install stable.
period. This is the most preferred way.
If you are a new user installing to a desktop machine, start with stable.
Some of the software is quite old, but it's the ***least buggy environment
to work in***.
(Errr...hang on, didn't Quack say it was FULL of bugs??)
You can easily switch to the more modern unstable once you
are a little more confident.
If you are running a server, especially one that has strong stability
requirements or is exposed to the Internet, install stable. This is by far
the strongest and safest choice.
<unquote>
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html
| Quote: | Use of the insulting terms, "Liarnut", "Dumb Willy" and "High Plains
Hypocrite" instead of the proper spellings of the nyms "Linonut", "William
Poaster" and "High Plains Thumper" are examples of:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
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Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
If anyone does anything which will interfere with the troll's ability to
cause mayhem, they can become very nasty, posting from obviously incorrect
variations of the name etc., insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
homosexuals. |
http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
Interesting that Hadron made no mention of using EtchAndAHalf:
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Hadron <hadronqu...@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:40:42
+0100 Subject: Re: Almost impressive
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Firstly I use Debian Lenny because "stable" is so "unstable" : Lenny gives
me daily updates and one can notice it getting better day by day.
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Right, so once Lenny becomes "stable" according to Quack's "logic" he will
dump it because it's so "unstable"!! ;-)
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Microsoft is very effective
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