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I now use a Gateway address of 192.168.1.2 on both PC.
I can ping 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 but still no joy in
the Connect to server dialog. The Connect to server error is:
"Connection refused by server" from either machine.
I have printed your directions and followed them to the letter so I can
only assume something is missing but what I cannot say.
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I think it's the bit not in my instructions which I never need to do
because I have a router - use a gateway address which is not the same as
one of the machines but has the first three numbers the same e.g.
192.168.1.254
Be sure to pick a final number between 3 and 254 inclusive if the
machines are 1 and 2.
FWIW I just tried it here (without my router) and it works. The default
directory it connects to is / (so you don't need to put that in) and all
the remote drive partitions appear in the file browser so you don't have
to do any messing around to see all the stuff on the other machine. As
mentioned elsethread, an SSH connection is a neat little umbilical cord
between machines, which is worth getting to know, and has the advantage
of being secure enough to use across the internet.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfusfq$6br$1@reader.motzarella.org:
I now use a Gateway address of 192.168.1.2 on both PC.
I can ping 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 but still no joy in
the Connect to server dialog. The Connect to server error is:
"Connection refused by server" from either machine.
I have printed your directions and followed them to the letter so I
can only assume something is missing but what I cannot say.
I think it's the bit not in my instructions which I never need to do
because I have a router - use a gateway address which is not the same
as one of the machines but has the first three numbers the same e.g.
192.168.1.254
Be sure to pick a final number between 3 and 254 inclusive if the
machines are 1 and 2.
FWIW I just tried it here (without my router) and it works. The
default directory it connects to is / (so you don't need to put that
in) and all the remote drive partitions appear in the file browser so
you don't have to do any messing around to see all the stuff on the
other machine. As mentioned elsethread, an SSH connection is a neat
little umbilical cord between machines, which is worth getting to
know, and has the advantage of being secure enough to use across the
internet.
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Both PC have a Gateway of 192.168.254 as you suggest but error is still:
Connection refused by server.
I don't understand how I can ping both PC but connect to server fails?
All I enter in the connect to server dialog is the IP address of the PC
I want and the username ubuntu. I don't see why it doesn't work.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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| Quote: | Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfvcgv$gjc$1@reader.motzarella.org:
networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfusfq$6br$1@reader.motzarella.org:
I now use a Gateway address of 192.168.1.2 on both PC.
I can ping 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 but still no joy
in the Connect to server dialog. The Connect to server error is:
"Connection refused by server" from either machine.
I have printed your directions and followed them to the letter so I
can only assume something is missing but what I cannot say.
I think it's the bit not in my instructions which I never need to do
because I have a router - use a gateway address which is not the same
as one of the machines but has the first three numbers the same e.g.
192.168.1.254
Be sure to pick a final number between 3 and 254 inclusive if the
machines are 1 and 2.
FWIW I just tried it here (without my router) and it works. The
default directory it connects to is / (so you don't need to put that
in) and all the remote drive partitions appear in the file browser so
you don't have to do any messing around to see all the stuff on the
other machine. As mentioned elsethread, an SSH connection is a neat
little umbilical cord between machines, which is worth getting to
know, and has the advantage of being secure enough to use across the
internet.
Both PC have a Gateway of 192.168.254 as you suggest but error is
still: Connection refused by server.
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Typo should read 192.168.1.254
| Quote: | I don't understand how I can ping both PC but connect to server fails?
All I enter in the connect to server dialog is the IP address of the
PC I want and the username ubuntu. I don't see why it doesn't work.
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Jim Price
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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networking_at_home wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfvcgv$gjc$1@reader.motzarella.org:
networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfusfq$6br$1@reader.motzarella.org:
I now use a Gateway address of 192.168.1.2 on both PC.
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This was the line which had me thinking your gateway setting was wrong.
| Quote: | Both PC have a Gateway of 192.168.254 as you suggest but error is still:
Connection refused by server.
I don't understand how I can ping both PC but connect to server fails?
All I enter in the connect to server dialog is the IP address of the PC
I want and the username ubuntu. I don't see why it doesn't work.
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I don't bother to put the name ubuntu in, as it will do that for me by
default anyway - saves risking a typo.
Connection refused by server suggests that step one isn't working. Do
you get a window appearing with some text going by and some access to
the DVD (which has to be in the drive) during step 1? Also, can you see
a process called sshd in the process list (which you can get to by
running (via ALT-F2) gnome-system-monitor . It might be in the system
administration menu - I can't remember if that is installed on the live
CD though.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfvcgv$gjc$1@reader.motzarella.org:
networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfusfq$6br$1@reader.motzarella.org:
I now use a Gateway address of 192.168.1.2 on both PC.
This was the line which had me thinking your gateway setting was
wrong.
Both PC have a Gateway of 192.168.254 as you suggest but error is
still: Connection refused by server.
I don't understand how I can ping both PC but connect to server
fails? All I enter in the connect to server dialog is the IP address
of the PC I want and the username ubuntu. I don't see why it doesn't
work.
I don't bother to put the name ubuntu in, as it will do that for me by
default anyway - saves risking a typo.
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I tried without the username but no joy.
| Quote: | Connection refused by server suggests that step one isn't working. Do
you get a window appearing with some text going by and some access to
the DVD (which has to be in the drive) during step 1?
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Yes.
| Quote: | Also, can you see
a process called sshd in the process list (which you can get to by
running (via ALT-F2)
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No not there.
| Quote: | gnome-system-monitor . It might be in the system
administration menu - I can't remember if that is installed on the
live CD though.
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In the system monitor I see ssh-agent. Process status is sleeping.
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Jim Price
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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networking_at_home wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
Connection refused by server suggests that step one isn't working. Do
you get a window appearing with some text going by and some access to
the DVD (which has to be in the drive) during step 1?
Yes.
Also, can you see
a process called sshd in the process list (which you can get to by
running (via ALT-F2)
No not there.
gnome-system-monitor . It might be in the system
administration menu - I can't remember if that is installed on the
live CD though.
In the system monitor I see ssh-agent. Process status is sleeping.
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If there is no sshd in the process list in system monitor, step 1 is not
working for you. It works for me, so all I can suggest is checking very
carefully what you might be doing in step 1 which is different from the
instructions, and try the command on its own in a terminal window so you
can scroll back through it and see what happened. You can copy the
contents of the terminal window and paste it here if you can't see
what's wrong.
Reminder - the command from step 1 is:
sudo apt-get -y install ssh
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
Connection refused by server suggests that step one isn't working.
Do you get a window appearing with some text going by and some
access to the DVD (which has to be in the drive) during step 1?
Yes.
Also, can you see
a process called sshd in the process list (which you can get to by
running (via ALT-F2)
No not there.
gnome-system-monitor . It might be in the system
administration menu - I can't remember if that is installed on the
live CD though.
In the system monitor I see ssh-agent. Process status is sleeping.
If there is no sshd in the process list in system monitor, step 1 is
not working for you. It works for me, so all I can suggest is checking
very carefully what you might be doing in step 1 which is different
from the instructions, and try the command on its own in a terminal
window so you can scroll back through it and see what happened. You
can copy the contents of the terminal window and paste it here if you
can't see what's wrong.
Reminder - the command from step 1 is:
sudo apt-get -y install ssh
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I was not connected to the internet when I first did the install. After
connecting my dialup modem I was able to install the software.
Connect to server timed out three times before it finally gave me a
login where I could enter a password, then I was able to view sftp on
192.168.1.1 (I call 192.168.1.1 the host) in the client file browser (I
call 192.168.1.2 the client).
However I cannot browse (aka mount) the Windows files of the host from
the client. Also I'm not entirely sure what exactly I'm looking at on
sftp when viewed from the client. I thought it might be the contents of
the ubuntu DVD on the host but it doesn't match what I see on the DVD in
the client. Go figure?
The other PC (192.168.1.1) refuses to give me a login screen. Go figure?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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"networking_at_home" <networking_at_home.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:gfvhod$ulp$1@reader.motzarella.org:
networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
Connection refused by server suggests that step one isn't working.
Do you get a window appearing with some text going by and some
access to the DVD (which has to be in the drive) during step 1?
Yes.
Also, can you see
a process called sshd in the process list (which you can get to by
running (via ALT-F2)
No not there.
gnome-system-monitor . It might be in the system
administration menu - I can't remember if that is installed on the
live CD though.
In the system monitor I see ssh-agent. Process status is sleeping.
If there is no sshd in the process list in system monitor, step 1 is
not working for you. It works for me, so all I can suggest is
checking very carefully what you might be doing in step 1 which is
different from the instructions, and try the command on its own in a
terminal window so you can scroll back through it and see what
happened. You can copy the contents of the terminal window and paste
it here if you can't see what's wrong.
Reminder - the command from step 1 is:
sudo apt-get -y install ssh
I was not connected to the internet when I first did the install.
After connecting my dialup modem I was able to install the software.
Connect to server timed out three times before it finally gave me a
login where I could enter a password, then I was able to view sftp on
192.168.1.1 (I call 192.168.1.1 the host) in the client file browser
(I call 192.168.1.2 the client).
However I cannot browse (aka mount) the Windows files of the host from
the client.
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I fixed this by switching to the host and then mounting the drive. Now I
can browse the windows files on the host from the client by entering
sftp://192.168.1.1/media/disk in the location bar of the client. This is
a major success for me!
| Quote: | Also I'm not entirely sure what exactly I'm looking at on
sftp when viewed from the client. I thought it might be the contents
of the ubuntu DVD on the host but it doesn't match what I see on the
DVD in the client. Go figure?
The other PC (192.168.1.1) refuses to give me a login screen. Go
figure?
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I just noticed that there is a gear icon in the top menubar of this PC.
When I place my cursor over it a pop up says the package manager is
working. I suspect the install didn't complete properly. I tried to
reinstall ssh but the icon remains. I don't know how to kill this
package manager process and do a proper reinstall, assuming that is
what's needed to solve the problem.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | networking_at_home wrote:
"networking_at_home" <networking_at_home.com> wrote in
However I cannot browse (aka mount) the Windows files of the host
from the client.
I fixed this by switching to the host and then mounting the drive.
Now I can browse the windows files on the host from the client by
entering sftp://192.168.1.1/media/disk in the location bar of the
client. This is a major success for me!
Looks like we're getting somewhere.
Also I'm not entirely sure what exactly I'm looking at on
sftp when viewed from the client. I thought it might be the contents
of the ubuntu DVD on the host but it doesn't match what I see on the
DVD in the client. Go figure?
The other PC (192.168.1.1) refuses to give me a login screen. Go
figure?
I just noticed that there is a gear icon in the top menubar of this
PC. When I place my cursor over it a pop up says the package manager
is working. I suspect the install didn't complete properly. I tried
to reinstall ssh but the icon remains. I don't know how to kill this
package manager process and do a proper reinstall, assuming that is
what's needed to solve the problem.
You can only have one package manager working at a time. This setup
will work best if you can leave a DVD in each machine until everything
is set up. A reboot will fix it, or look for the apt process in the
system monitor and kill it (not 100% guaranteed to work). The software
to be installed is on the DVD at:
pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
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Can't find it. I browsed to Computer and then tried to open and/or mount
the DVD drive but a message said "unable to mount location no media in
drive". This is of course wrong because the disk is in the drive. I
tried this on both machines with the same result. Maybe tomorrow you can
explain to me how to find that file.
| Quote: | You could browse to that and double click on it to install the ssh
server instead of running the command in step 1. This will provide a
nicer graphical installation but would take me longer that ALT-F2 and
typing the install command.
The DVD does have to be in the drive until the installation has
finished.
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This is my last post for today. We've made great progress. Thanks and
goodnight.
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Jim Price
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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networking_at_home wrote:
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However I cannot browse (aka mount) the Windows files of the host from
the client.
I fixed this by switching to the host and then mounting the drive. Now I
can browse the windows files on the host from the client by entering
sftp://192.168.1.1/media/disk in the location bar of the client. This is
a major success for me!
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Looks like we're getting somewhere.
| Quote: | Also I'm not entirely sure what exactly I'm looking at on
sftp when viewed from the client. I thought it might be the contents
of the ubuntu DVD on the host but it doesn't match what I see on the
DVD in the client. Go figure?
The other PC (192.168.1.1) refuses to give me a login screen. Go
figure?
I just noticed that there is a gear icon in the top menubar of this PC.
When I place my cursor over it a pop up says the package manager is
working. I suspect the install didn't complete properly. I tried to
reinstall ssh but the icon remains. I don't know how to kill this
package manager process and do a proper reinstall, assuming that is
what's needed to solve the problem.
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You can only have one package manager working at a time. This setup will
work best if you can leave a DVD in each machine until everything is set
up. A reboot will fix it, or look for the apt process in the system
monitor and kill it (not 100% guaranteed to work). The software to be
installed is on the DVD at:
pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
You could browse to that and double click on it to install the ssh
server instead of running the command in step 1. This will provide a
nicer graphical installation but would take me longer that ALT-F2 and
typing the install command.
The DVD does have to be in the drive until the installation has finished.
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Jim Price
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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networking_at_home wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
The software
to be installed is on the DVD at:
pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
Can't find it. I browsed to Computer and then tried to open and/or mount
the DVD drive but a message said "unable to mount location no media in
drive". This is of course wrong because the disk is in the drive. I
tried this on both machines with the same result. Maybe tomorrow you can
explain to me how to find that file.
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Type ALT-F2 and run:
/cdrom
From there open folders through to pool/main/o/openssh/
There are a number of other ways including going to the Home folder and
up twice then choose the cdrom folder.
You can also install it from Synaptic Package Manager in the system
menu. Open that and do a search for ssh, then select it for installation
with a right click once you've found it in the list.
I still think running "sudo apt-get -y install ssh" is the quickest an
easiest way, and if it doesn't work that way, it probably won't work the
other ways for the same reason.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | networking_at_home wrote:
Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
The software
to be installed is on the DVD at:
pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
Can't find it. I browsed to Computer and then tried to open and/or
mount the DVD drive but a message said "unable to mount location no
media in drive". This is of course wrong because the disk is in the
drive. I tried this on both machines with the same result. Maybe
tomorrow you can explain to me how to find that file.
Type ALT-F2 and run:
/cdrom
From there open folders through to pool/main/o/openssh/
There are a number of other ways including going to the Home folder
and up twice then choose the cdrom folder.
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The only thing I see in pool/main/o/ is an oem-config folder. That
folder contains oem_config_137_i386.deb and oem_config-gtk_i386.deb,
nothing else.
I'm using a Live DVD with four flavors of ubuntu, I am of course booting
ubuntu. I also have a second DVD that's identical except it has the same
four flavors of ubuntu in 64bit. I looked in both disks but no joy.
These disks came in a magazine called Linux Identity Starter Volume 1,
Number 1. I can only conclude that my copy of live ubuntu is different
from yours.
| Quote: | You can also install it from Synaptic Package Manager in the system
menu. Open that and do a search for ssh, then select it for
installation with a right click once you've found it in the list.
I still think running "sudo apt-get -y install ssh" is the quickest an
easiest way, and if it doesn't work that way, it probably won't work
the other ways for the same reason.
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If I had a constant on high speed ISP I would agree with you but I have
dialup and must reconfigure/connect before every download/install
cycle.
After I install ubuntu (when I feel comfortable with it) and in future I
will buy a full repository on seven DVD's. IIRC it cost about $35. Then
I have to figure out how to use them to install software/updates rather
than downloading them. That's my plan for now.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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Jim Price <d1version@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Have I mentioned that my knowledge of ubuntu has been greatly enhanced
by your astute tutelage? Thank you again. Please call on me if you need
assistance with anything that is within my purview, or even if it's not.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Network two Live Boot PC's |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:45:35 -0600, networking_at_home wrote:
| Quote: | Have I mentioned that my knowledge of ubuntu has been greatly enhanced
by your astute tutelage? Thank you again. Please call on me if you need
assistance with anything that is within my purview, or even if it's not.
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He probably already knows how to tie his shoes. You probably can't help
with anything more complicated than that.
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Bugger off, Win-droid. This is a Linux newsgroup.
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