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Slackware does NOT give a choice!
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Lubiraz Alerano
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
To Slackers!
My current OS is ver.12.1 and works.
So when asked to install OS on box of "the one that has to be
obeyed" (from the MS-Glassware crowd), tried for short time Ubuntu,
and my old habits kicked in and Ubuntu was kicked out.
So I decided to install old-faithful Slack but the notion of booting
directly to GUI looked like a nice one. 'No problemas' a one character
editing of inittab file and the box boots directly into KDE.
WWWWHHHHYYYY!!!!
I like xfce4 as my GUI.
No place can I find information how to tell the OS that when init 4 is
called to invoke X11 with window manager of choice.

Any suggestions?

TIA

Stanislaw
Slack user from Ulladulla.
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Beej Jorgensen
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
Lubiraz Alerano <compaid@aussiebroadband.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
directly to GUI looked like a nice one. 'No problemas' a one character
editing of inittab file and the box boots directly into KDE.

I'm presuming you had to log in first, yes? I haven't done a clean
install in forever, but is there a pulldown menu on the login window
where you can choose xfce?

-Beej
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Loki Harfagr
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:30:26 -0800, Lubiraz Alerano did cat :

Quote:
To Slackers!
My current OS is ver.12.1 and works.
So when asked to install OS on box of "the one that has to be obeyed"
(from the MS-Glassware crowd), tried for short time Ubuntu, and my old
habits kicked in and Ubuntu was kicked out. So I decided to install
old-faithful Slack but the notion of booting directly to GUI looked like
a nice one. 'No problemas' a one character editing of inittab file and
the box boots directly into KDE. WWWWHHHHYYYY!!!!
I like xfce4 as my GUI.
No place can I find information how to tell the OS that when init 4 is
called to invoke X11 with window manager of choice.

Any suggestions?

a suggestion would be too RTFM-* like for your tastes Wink
hence here's the fastest alternative, an answer:
xwmconfig
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Thomas Overgaard
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
Lubiraz Alerano wrote :

Quote:
So I decided to install old-faithful Slack but the notion of booting
directly to GUI looked like a nice one. 'No problemas' a one character
editing of inittab file and the box boots directly into KDE.
WWWWHHHHYYYY!!!!

Because Patrick Volkerding like KDE.

Quote:
I like xfce4 as my GUI.
No place can I find information how to tell the OS that when init 4 is
called to invoke X11 with window manager of choice.

On "User" level it can be changed by running the 'xwmconfig' command. On
"System" level you'll have to change the symlink in /etc/X11/xinit/ from
xinitrc -> xinitrc.kde to xinitrc -> xinitrc.xfce
--
Thomas O.

This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.
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Res
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Thomas Overgaard wrote:

Quote:

Lubiraz Alerano wrote :

So I decided to install old-faithful Slack but the notion of booting
directly to GUI looked like a nice one. 'No problemas' a one character
editing of inittab file and the box boots directly into KDE.
WWWWHHHHYYYY!!!!

Because Patrick Volkerding like KDE.

Warning, do not feed the troll, alan/tom (who|what)ever it pretends to be
now


--
Res

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Lubiraz Alerano
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Nov 15, 7:43 pm, Thomas Overgaard <tho...@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
Quote:
On "User" level it can be changed by running the 'xwmconfig' command. On
"System" level you'll have to change the symlink in /etc/X11/xinit/ from
xinitrc -> xinitrc.kde to xinitrc -> xinitrc.xfce

Been there, done it. This IS the reason I wrote on group. After
reinstall of OS and choice of 'default?' window manager, when going
init 4 it still presents KDE on screen. The re-pointing of xinitrc has
NO effect. ( It has the desired effect when invoked on my regular
install and a link is created from .xinitrc in user home directory to
ANY window manager from the installed collection, and invoked by
startx after logging in.)
What the hell is going on?!
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Lubiraz Alerano
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Nov 16, 2:23 am, Thomas Overgaard <tho...@post2.tele.dk> wrote:




Quote:
Don't think so. Stanislaw lives at the eastcoast of New South Wales and
OP posted from western Victoria.
--
Thomas O.

WestVic aka Aussiebroadband IS mine UFO (satellite) provider as we
reside in dead spot for government advertised IT progress.
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Lubiraz Alerano
Guest
PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Nov 16, 3:13 am, Lew Pitcher <lpitc...@teksavvy.com> wrote:


Quote:

You can find out about the xinitrc files by reading the manpage for
startx(1) and xinit(1), and about the .xsession file by reading the manpage
for xdm(1).

Hope this helps

It is now o4:30 on Sunday morning.
You made my day!!!
So now to work.
Will report results.
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Loki Harfagr
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:50:46 +1000, Res did cat :

Quote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Thomas Overgaard wrote:


Lubiraz Alerano wrote :

So I decided to install old-faithful Slack but the notion of booting
directly to GUI looked like a nice one. 'No problemas' a one character
editing of inittab file and the box boots directly into KDE.
WWWWHHHHYYYY!!!!

Because Patrick Volkerding like KDE.

Warning, do not feed the troll, alan/tom (who|what)ever it pretends to
be now

this is not Tom (or did he move to Oz just to come after you ?-D)
This is Stanislaw, probably the dean here ;~)
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Lubiraz Alerano
Guest
PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Nov 16, 4:22 am, Loki Harfagr <l...@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID>
wrote:
Quote:
Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:23:01 +0100, Thomas Overgaard did cat :

Loki Harfagr wrote :

spanish tricks on nyms

If it seems like a trick, present this 'moniker' to someone who can
understand "po polsku" for translation.
It was in my memory since late '40s.

Have fun.

Stanislaw
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Lubiraz Alerano
Guest
PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Nov 16, 4:29 am, Lubiraz Alerano <comp...@aussiebroadband.com.au>
wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 16, 3:13 am, Lew Pitcher <lpitc...@teksavvy.com> wrote:



You can find out about the xinitrc files by reading the manpage for
startx(1) and xinit(1), and about the .xsession file by reading the manpage
for xdm(1).

Hope this helps

It is now o4:30 on Sunday morning.
You made my day!!!
So now to work.
Will report results.

OK, it WORKS!!!
The time is now 08:06 and "under hood" trials (with help from all
responders, thanks a lot!) gives the expected results.
a) edited rc 4 un-commenting calls to gdm AND kdm.
b) linked xinitrc to xfce4
c) on boot it presented the xdm panel fot user and password ( the last
one doesn't display anything= no movement of cursor when typing in
characters) so takes some time to adjust.
d) !!!GAVE me the Mickey Mouse window manager, as expected.!!!

Happy me.

Again thanks a lot, all of you.

Stanislaw
Slack (with init 4) user from Ulladulla
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Thomas Overgaard
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
Loki Harfagr wrote :

Quote:
This is Stanislaw, probably the dean here ;~)

Don't think so. Stanislaw lives at the eastcoast of New South Wales and
OP posted from western Victoria.
--
Thomas O.

This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.
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Lew Pitcher
Guest
PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On November 15, 2008 03:30, in alt.os.linux.slackware, Lubiraz Alerano
(compaid@aussiebroadband.com.au) wrote:

Quote:
To Slackers!
My current OS is ver.12.1 and works.
[snip]
I like xfce4 as my GUI.
No place can I find information how to tell the OS that when init 4 is
called to invoke X11 with window manager of choice.

Any suggestions?

First off, choose a DM. Slackware 12.1 comes with XDM and KDM.
XDM is standard with X, and has very few options, while KDM comes with KDE,
and has loads of options. You can use KDM without using KDE as your
desktop.

Take a look at /etc/rc.d/rc.4 and see how it chooses which DM to run.
Typically, it tests each DM in order ((GDM for the now gone Gnome), KDM,
and then XDM) to see which one is executable; the first executable gets
used. This is important: if you want XDM, then you either
chmod a-x /usr/bin/kdm
or you deinstall kde (the kdebase package).

KDM (and GDM) provide a way for each user to select which WM/DM to use, at
logon, while XDM uses whatever is selected in the config in either the
user's home directory or in /etc/X11 (the user must log on to change the
default).

To change the systemwide default WM, you need to
(hard/soft)link /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to the appropriate xinitrc.*. For
your choice of XFCE, you
rm /etc/X11/xinit/xintrc
ln -s /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

This will cause XDM to (in the absence of an overriding user config) launch
xfce as the default desktop, and KDM to (in the absense of an override at
the login, or an overriding user config) to launch xfce as the "default"
WM.

To change one user's default WM, you need to (hard/soft)link ~/.xinitrc to
the appropriate /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.*. For your choice of XFCE, you
would
rm ~/.xinitrc
ln -s /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce ~/.xinitrc
This will cause XDM to override the systemwide default for that specific
user and launch xfce as the default desktop, and KDM to (in the absense of
an override at the login) to launch xfce as the "default" WM.

Per-user, you may also want to (hard/soft)link ~/.xsession to the
appropriate initialization script. This can be the ~/.xinitrc that you
built above. XDM (xdm(1)) uses the ~./xsession script to perform it's
per-user initialization, while the startx(1) and xinit(1) use the
~/.xinitrc script.

You can find out about the xinitrc files by reading the manpage for
startx(1) and xinit(1), and about the .xsession file by reading the manpage
for xdm(1).

Hope this helps
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576
http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request
---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------
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Res
Guest
PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On Sun, 15 Nov 2008, Loki Harfagr wrote:

Quote:
Yup, that annoyed me a wink, but still is valid the
remark that it's still Oz and I still don't think that TomAlan
may afford the risk of creeping out to an airport to try and
chase out 'Res' Wink Uh, so many "still" in my sentence, still life Wink

he can 'bring it on' anytime Smile unlike him I dont feel the need to hide
behind a myriad of false aliases when I have a bitch about something,
thats why so many may despise me lol

Oh and does he still type something to me? not having seen it in months
thanks to the news server and mailing lists excellent anti
spam/trash/troll filters.

Quote:
I'm sure Stanislaw will give us all some news, as soon as he'll
be back in XFce and have all the NSW comfort ;-)


The problem is, people in NSW think Oz is NSW, and NSW regional is
actually all the other states... Boy, have we got news for them :P



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Res

If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem!


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Lew Pitcher
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Slackware does NOT give a choice! Reply with quote
On November 15, 2008 12:06, in alt.os.linux.slackware, Lubiraz Alerano
(compaid@aussiebroadband.com.au) wrote:

Quote:
On Nov 15, 7:43 pm, Thomas Overgaard <tho...@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
On "User" level it can be changed by running the 'xwmconfig' command. On
"System" level you'll have to change the symlink in /etc/X11/xinit/ from
xinitrc -> xinitrc.kde to xinitrc -> xinitrc.xfce

Been there, done it. This IS the reason I wrote on group. After
reinstall of OS and choice of 'default?' window manager, when going
init 4 it still presents KDE on screen.

Hmmmm..... something really strange.

Are you using KDM as your login manager?

If so, have you selected "XFCE" as your desktop in the KDM menu? KDM will
directly invoke /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce for you if you do.

If not, have you selected "Custom" as your desktop in the KDM menu? KDM will
directly invoke ~/.xsession (which can be a link
to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce) for you.

If not, have you selected "Default" as your desktop in the KDM menu? KDM
will directly invoke /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc (which can be a link
to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce) for you.

If you are using XDM as your login manager, it will
invoke ~/.xsession if it can find it, otherwise, it will
invoke /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc instead
Either or both of these can be links to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce

--
Lew Pitcher

Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576
http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request
---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------
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