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Harry Putnam
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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: [gentoo-user] Re: tools currently available for update of e |
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Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@online.de> writes:
| Quote: | Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 00:05:56 schrieb Harry Putnam:
I did try `cfg-update' but I thought it was really slow.
Slow? For me it's blazingly fast.
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Just to install it requires 3 pkgs to be installed:
Just to install, it wants three packages unless I USE="-kde" (in my
case).
And even then it still cries about xxdiff. Looking at the other
possible editors in /etc/cfg-update.conf... I don't have a single one
of them installed... so still more install is required.
Using xxdiff is pretty clunky and slow I thought. I would not
describe it as blazingly fast.
It may be possible to customize to the point where its faster but it
would take some doing.
Or maybe just by experience in using the tool it would get handier
and faster....
I've not encountered a single conf file where a 3 screen merge was
required to get it right.
But as I mentioned, my conf files are probably way less complicated
than a power users. |
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Dirk Heinrichs
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tools currently available for update |
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Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 19:04:02 schrieb Harry Putnam:
| Quote: | Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@online.de> writes:
Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 00:05:56 schrieb Harry Putnam:
I did try `cfg-update' but I thought it was really slow.
Slow? For me it's blazingly fast.
Just to install it requires 3 pkgs to be installed:
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What has this to do with how fast it runs?
| Quote: | Just to install, it wants three packages unless I USE="-kde" (in my
case).
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Yes, so what?
| Quote: | And even then it still cries about xxdiff.
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That's what its author chose as the default. You could file a bug report.
| Quote: | Looking at the other
possible editors in /etc/cfg-update.conf... I don't have a single one
of them installed... so still more install is required.
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Ahem, you don't have vim or diff installed?
| Quote: | Using xxdiff is pretty clunky and slow I thought. I would not
describe it as blazingly fast.
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You were not talking about xxdiff, you wrote that cfg-update was slow.
| Quote: | It may be possible to customize to the point where its faster but it
would take some doing.
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What exactly are you talking about, cfg-update or the diff tool you told it to
use?
| Quote: | Or maybe just by experience in using the tool it would get handier
and faster....
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Just doing the automatic stuff, where no user intervention is involved _is_
blazingly fast. How fast you are in running the diff/merge tool of _your_
choice is, well, up to you.
| Quote: | I've not encountered a single conf file where a 3 screen merge was
required to get it right.
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I already have. But it's a rare case.
Bye...
Dirk |
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Harry Putnam
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: [gentoo-user] Re: tools currently available for update of e |
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Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@online.de> writes:
| Quote: | Or maybe just by experience in using the tool it would get handier
and faster....
Just doing the automatic stuff, where no user intervention is involved _is_
blazingly fast. How fast you are in running the diff/merge tool of _your_
choice is, well, up to you.
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Maybe, but as you know it defaults to xxdiff. That of course is not
to say it cannot be changed but by default the merge tool is slow and
clunky.
| Quote: | Using xxdiff is pretty clunky and slow I thought. I would not
describe it as blazingly fast.
You were not talking about xxdiff, you wrote that cfg-update was slow.
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You seem to imply that cfg-update is independent of a diff tool. It
does not appear to be able to merge anything on its own.
So to speak of cfg-update minus a diff tool as fast/slow seems a
little off the mark.
I suspect you are a much more accomplished user than I am so I'll
defer to your judgement...
I'm curious about the backup setup. Have you had occasion to go
back into the database to pull out an old config? And if so I
wondered if that part worked to your liking?
It might allow me to quit putting all my configs under cvs control.
That can get to be a bit of a hassle at times.. |
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Dirk Heinrichs
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tools currently available for update |
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Am Sonntag 16 November 2008 21:18:44 schrieb ext Harry Putnam:
| Quote: | Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@online.de> writes:
Or maybe just by experience in using the tool it would get handier
and faster....
Just doing the automatic stuff, where no user intervention is involved
_is_ blazingly fast. How fast you are in running the diff/merge tool of
_your_ choice is, well, up to you.
Maybe, but as you know it defaults to xxdiff. That of course is not
to say it cannot be changed but by default the merge tool is slow and
clunky.
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That's true, of course. But any other config file update tool you choose will
be affected by the merge tool it uses. But this merge tool only comes into
play when the update can't be done automatically. So to tell wether the update
tool as such is fast or not (compared to the others), one should leave the
merge tool out of the equation.
OTOH, you can always change the merge tool. I use kdiff3 (because I didn't
like xxdiff either), which is also not the fastest one, but IMHO the best you
can get. YMMV, though.
| Quote: | Using xxdiff is pretty clunky and slow I thought. I would not
describe it as blazingly fast.
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I did not, never ever, describe xxdiff as blazingly fast. I was referring to
cfg-update only.
| Quote: | You were not talking about xxdiff, you wrote that cfg-update was slow.
You seem to imply that cfg-update is independent of a diff tool. It
does not appear to be able to merge anything on its own.
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Yes, it is. As long as no conflicts arise. That's when the merge tool comes
in.
| Quote: | So to speak of cfg-update minus a diff tool as fast/slow seems a
little off the mark.
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s/diff/merge/
| Quote: | I'm curious about the backup setup. Have you had occasion to go
back into the database to pull out an old config?
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No, not yet.
Bye...
Dirk
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Harry Putnam
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: [gentoo-user] Re: tools currently available for update of e |
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Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@online.de> writes:
| Quote: | Am Sonntag, 16. November 2008 00:05:56 schrieb Harry Putnam:
I did try `cfg-update' but I thought it was really slow.
Slow? For me it's blazingly fast.
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I opened this thread back up to eat a little crow.
Now that some of my config files have been thru cfg-updates process
once. I see new updates processed literally in the blink of an eye.
So I now agree that `blazingly' is quite appropriate. |
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Dirk Heinrichs
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: tools currently available for update |
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Am Mittwoch 19 November 2008 21:54:42 schrieb ext Harry Putnam:
| Quote: | Now that some of my config files have been thru cfg-updates process
once. I see new updates processed literally in the blink of an eye.
So I now agree that `blazingly' is quite appropriate.
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That's what I meant. As long as no manual intervention is needed (which is the
case most of the time), cfg-update is the fastest you can get. This comes from
its use of the backups for comparison, which enables it to resolve more cases
automatically (3-way diff/merge).
Bye...
Dirk
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