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Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0?
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houghi
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
Juha Nieminen wrote:
Quote:
houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
From that I conclude that most likely there is no recenct xnethack
anymore. That also means that
/usr/share/doc/packages/nethack/README.SuSE must be updated.
Bug #440906

I would really prefer if rather than changing README.SuSE,
xnethack (and/or nethack-qt) would be brought back to life.
At least one person wants it! Razz

Well, I gave the bug number. You could have asked to have it added
again. If you would have followed the bugreport, you would have seen
that they have solved the bug and removed the README.SuSE.

Quote:
(Although I like nethack, maybe I'm not retro enough, but
I just can't bear the ascii graphics...)

I have no idea what it is. All I know that if I want something added to
openSUSE, I file a bugreport and see what happens. If nobody asks, then
nothing will happen. Some things get added, others get not added and
almost always with an explanation as to why.

Don't fight the decision. If you can not get it added, then this means
they have other things to do.

houghi
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Philipp Thomas
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On 01 Nov 2008 12:41:40 GMT, Juha Nieminen <warp@lakka.kapsi.fi>
wrote:

Quote:
(In fact, I wouldn't mind the Vulture's or noegnud version, but
trying to get those to compile, or finding a precompiled version for
linux, seemed to be absolutely hopeless.)

Go to http://software.opensuse.org/search and enter vulture and
presto, you will be presented with:

nethack-vultures
Vulture's Eye is a mouse-driven interface for NetHack that enhances
the visuals, audio and accessibility of the game, yet retains all the

Now a click on 1-click install and you've got what you wanted :)

Philipp
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Juha Nieminen
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
Philipp Thomas <philipp@thogro.org> wrote:
Quote:
Go to http://software.opensuse.org/search and enter vulture and
presto, you will be presented with:

nethack-vultures
Vulture's Eye is a mouse-driven interface for NetHack that enhances
the visuals, audio and accessibility of the game, yet retains all the

Now a click on 1-click install and you've got what you wanted Smile

It indeed is so.

Vulture's Eye looks fancy but... Somehow the 2D tiled version of the
game is just somehow easier to play. You also have a much better view
of the entire map, so you can visualize better the entire level.

Given that it seems to be hopeless to get xnethack or nethack-qt to
work, I'm even tempted to try to cope with the good old ascii version...
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Philipp Thomas
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On 05 Nov 2008 16:54:12 GMT, Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Given that it seems to be hopeless to get xnethack or nethack-qt to
work,

Why? When openSUSE 11.1 and SLES 11 are out of the door, I'll have a
look at xnethack and/or nethack-qt. Right now I'm rather busy and try
to spend my precious free time for something else then software.

Philipp
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Philipp Thomas
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:39:33 +0100, Philipp Thomas
<philipp@thogro.org> wrote:

Quote:
When openSUSE 11.1 and SLES 11 are out of the door, I'll have a
look at xnethack and/or nethack-qt.

So much for sticking to my words Smile I went ahead and added nethack to
my home project on the OBS (home:psmt/nethack). This is the nethack
package from 9.1 with the merged specs of 9.1 and factory but with
gnomehack removed.

Now let's see if the package builds without errors or if goofed with
the spec Smile If the packages have built I'll post that here.

Philipp
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AnimalMagic
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On 01 Nov 2008 12:41:40 GMT, Juha Nieminen <warp@lakka.kapsi.fi> wrote:

Quote:
houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
Not sure aboyt xnethack or nethack-qt, but nathack is in the standard
repo:

I know, and I have it installed. I would like the X or QT version,
though.

(In fact, I wouldn't mind the Vulture's or noegnud version, but
trying to get those to compile, or finding a precompiled version for
linux, seemed to be absolutely hopeless.)


I think it (Vulture's) is part of the Knoppix live DVD. Maybe not the
current, but certainly one of the previous versions. I know I have seen
it as part of a standard install of an x86 distro too.

You could also try one of the live distros just to see what all is
required to get the version you want working up and running.

You can also ask in r.g.r.n.! I know folks there run under Linux.
Nethack is like the MOST ported game in history.

rec.games.rougelike.nethack
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AnimalMagic
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:56:03 +0100, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Juha Nieminen wrote:
I would like to make an additional question: Why has xnethack been
discontinued from OpenSuse?

Two answers possible
1) Because not enaugh people wanted it
2) Because the makers of the code made it not (easibly) compilable
3) A combination of the above.

A search on google now points to websites that point to Usenet servers
(and show why google sucks big time)

I tried looking for the source to download, but after 5 minutes of
looking via google and via clusty.com all I found where old rpms or
references to SUSE and openSUSE.

From that I conclude that most likely there is no recenct xnethack
anymore. That also means that
/usr/share/doc/packages/nethack/README.SuSE must be updated.
Bug #440906

houghi


Best place to ask:

rec.games.rougelike.nethack
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AnimalMagic
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On 03 Nov 2008 20:14:29 GMT, Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
From that I conclude that most likely there is no recenct xnethack
anymore. That also means that
/usr/share/doc/packages/nethack/README.SuSE must be updated.
Bug #440906

I would really prefer if rather than changing README.SuSE,
xnethack (and/or nethack-qt) would be brought back to life.
At least one person wants it! :P

(Although I like nethack, maybe I'm not retro enough, but
I just can't bear the ascii graphics...)


If you do not like Vultures, try Noegnud.
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Philipp Thomas
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On 05 Nov 2008 16:54:12 GMT, Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Given that it seems to be hopeless to get xnethack or nethack-qt to
work, I'm even tempted to try to cope with the good old ascii version...

Go to https://software.opensuse.org/search, enter nethack-qt and enjoy
:)

Philipp
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Philipp Thomas
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:52:35 +0100, Philipp Thomas
<philipp@thogro.org> wrote:

Quote:
Now let's see if the package builds without errors or if goofed with
the spec Smile If the packages have built I'll post that here.

Well, I had to fix quite a bit here and there but now the packages
build. So there's now xnethack and nethack-qt available. I'll possily
move them to the games buildservice project though but given the
software search it shouldn't be a problem.

have fun
Philipp
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AnimalMagic
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:28:46 +0100, Philipp Thomas <philipp@thogro.org>
wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:52:35 +0100, Philipp Thomas
philipp@thogro.org> wrote:

Now let's see if the package builds without errors or if goofed with
the spec Smile If the packages have built I'll post that here.

Well, I had to fix quite a bit here and there but now the packages
build. So there's now xnethack and nethack-qt available. I'll possily
move them to the games buildservice project though but given the
software search it shouldn't be a problem.

have fun
Philipp


Now get Vultures Eye and NoeGnud to compile and play, like they used to
in Linux, no problem.

Another GREAT game to add to the distro would be SDLMame Smile
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houghi
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
Philipp Thomas wrote:
Quote:
Given that it seems to be hopeless to get xnethack or nethack-qt to
work, I'm even tempted to try to cope with the good old ascii version...

Go to https://software.opensuse.org/search, enter nethack-qt and enjoy
Smile

This is great. Thanks. Even though I will never use it, it is great to
see others using the build service for the better of mankind. ;-)

I am a lousy packagebuilder myself, so for that reason mos of what I
have doesn't compile. I also can not find the time to concentrate on it
and learn it.

Again, great to see you have done it. This is indeed how it should work.
1) See a package that is not yet added
2) Add it to the build service, so as much people can use it as possible


houghi
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if you can pry it from my dead, cold, stiff fingers
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Philipp Thomas
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:30:26 -0800, AnimalMagic
<AnimalMagic@petersbackyard.org> wrote:

Quote:
Now get Vultures Eye

Vulture's Eye is already available on the OBS.

Philipp

Quote:
and NoeGnud to compile and play,

I might try that when I have a bit of time.

Quote:
Another GREAT game to add to the distro would be SDLMame Smile

Also already available in the OBS. As I wrote a few time, go to
http://software.opensuse.org/search and see if your favourites are
already present.

Philipp
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Juha Nieminen
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
Philipp Thomas <philipp@thogro.org> wrote:
Quote:
On 05 Nov 2008 16:54:12 GMT, Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid
wrote:

Given that it seems to be hopeless to get xnethack or nethack-qt to
work, I'm even tempted to try to cope with the good old ascii version...

Go to https://software.opensuse.org/search, enter nethack-qt and enjoy
Smile

Thanks! This is great service.

However, neither nethack-qt nor xnethack work out of the box when
installed from the repository. Both give the same errors when launched:

Warning: cannot write scoreboard file /var/games/nethack/record
No write permission to lock /var/games/nethack/perm!

I would assume the installation process should set up everything so
that the game can be run out-of-the-box, without additional configuring.

Either way, I'm not exactly sure what I *should* do in this case.
An obvious thing to try would be to give write perimissions to those
files, but is that the *correct* way to proceed?
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Juha Nieminen
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to find nethack-qt or xnethack for OpenSuse 11.0? Reply with quote
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
However, neither nethack-qt nor xnethack work out of the box when
installed from the repository. Both give the same errors when launched:

Warning: cannot write scoreboard file /var/games/nethack/record
No write permission to lock /var/games/nethack/perm!

I got them working by giving write permissions to that directory.

However, both xnethack and nethack-qt lack graphical tiles, and instead
show the same ascii graphics as the vanilla-nethack. That kind of defies
the whole purpose.

Any suggestion how I could get the graphical tiles?
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