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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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On 2008-10-09, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | karl wrote:
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
If you install 64bit firefox, there is no java plugin for it for the
Sun java. See the java site, they say there:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
Is this clear enough?
OK, I will check when I am at my PC. So it is only the Java website that
complains about it? I have not seen anything on any other place. Or
perhaps zypper/YaST/openSUSE installed the 32 bit for me.
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Here's mine (Help > About Firefox):
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008091700
SUSE/3.0.3-1.1 Firefox/3.0.3
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Anyway, I never had any site complain to me about not having Java.
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Me neither :)
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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karl wrote:
| Quote: | I just produced the fact that on the java sun website it is written:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
If you want to find pages where you need this, go to the java sites.
They have them.
Maybe you have a 32bit FF or/and a very old java. Did you check?
If not, write to the Vatican that it will be recognized as a miracle.
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Do you have an adress?
houghi@pasta : java -version
java version "1.6.0_07"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 10.0-b23, mixed mode)
Also when looking at http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp I see
som x64 stuff as well.
Obviously it could be that their website is not up to date.
houghi
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karl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Vahis schrieb:
| Quote: | On 2008-10-09, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
karl wrote:
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
If you install 64bit firefox, there is no java plugin for it for the
Sun java. See the java site, they say there:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
Is this clear enough?
OK, I will check when I am at my PC. So it is only the Java website that
complains about it? I have not seen anything on any other place. Or
perhaps zypper/YaST/openSUSE installed the 32 bit for me.
Here's mine (Help > About Firefox):
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008091700
SUSE/3.0.3-1.1 Firefox/3.0.3
Anyway, I never had any site complain to me about not having Java.
Me neither :)
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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karl wrote:
| Quote: | If you don't know it if you have a 32 or 64 bit FF, why you are
complaining that I just reported a fact from the java website?
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This is not about one website working or not. This is about the fact
that it was claimed that it does not work at all and that you must
install the 32 bit version of the browser and Java.
Even IF I would be running 32 bit, it is not something I have done
myself. So for me all sites seem to work, without doing anything
special. I did not need to instal 32 bit from anywhere, because if
anything, it was already there.
houghi
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Vahis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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On 2008-10-09, karl <oudeis@nononet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | houghi schrieb:
karl wrote:
One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
houghi
If you install 64bit firefox, there is no java plugin for it for the
Sun java. See the java site, they say there:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
Is this clear enough?
It's not for me. |
They are saying that 32 bit java should be used.
They are not saying anything about Firefox there.
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Vahis wrote:
| Quote: | It's not for me.
They are saying that 32 bit java should be used.
They are not saying anything about Firefox there.
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Vahis, we must be doing something wrong, because everything just works.
houghi
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Vahis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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On 2008-10-09, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Vahis wrote:
It's not for me.
They are saying that 32 bit java should be used.
They are not saying anything about Firefox there.
Vahis, we must be doing something wrong, because everything just works.
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Pure luck :)
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:12:48 +0200, houghi wrote:
| Quote: | karl wrote:
I just produced the fact that on the java sun website it is written:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start
support"
If you want to find pages where you need this, go to the java sites.
They have them.
Maybe you have a 32bit FF or/and a very old java. Did you check?
If not, write to the Vatican that it will be recognized as a miracle.
Do you have an adress?
houghi@pasta : java -version
java version "1.6.0_07"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06) Java HotSpot(TM)
64-Bit Server VM (build 10.0-b23, mixed mode)
Also when looking at http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp I see
som x64 stuff as well.
Obviously it could be that their website is not up to date.
houghi
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You missed the obvious:
rpm -qi java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.2_b09-10
Name : java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 1.2_b09 Vendor: SUSE LINUX
Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
Release : 10 Build Date: Wed 04 Jun 2008
03:18:41 BST
Install Date: Sat 28 Jun 2008 11:30:02 BST Build Host: liszt.suse.de
Group : Development/Libraries/Java Source RPM: java-1_6_0-
openjdk-1.2_b09-10.src.rpm
Size : 31392 License: GPL v2 only; -
with the OpenJDK Assembly Exception and the GNU Classpath Exception
Signature : DSA/SHA1, Wed 04 Jun 2008 03:34:35 BST, Key ID
a84edae89c800aca
Packager : http://bugs.opensuse.org
URL : http://openjdk.java.net/
Summary : Java web browser plugin based on OpenJDK 6 and IcedTea 6
Description :
This package provides a Java plugin for using Java applets in web
browsers such as FireFox. It is based on gcjwebplugin using OpenJDK 6
and IcedTea 6.
In Firefox, you can check the plugin used by the browser by typing the
URL
about:plugins
into the URL field of the navigation toolbar.
Distribution: openSUSE 11.0 (X86-64)
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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graham wrote:
| Quote: | houghi@pasta : java -version
java version "1.6.0_07"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06) Java HotSpot(TM)
64-Bit Server VM (build 10.0-b23, mixed mode)
Also when looking at http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp I see
som x64 stuff as well.
Obviously it could be that their website is not up to date.
houghi
You missed the obvious:
rpm -qi java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.2_b09-10
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I did look at it. I did just not see wether that was 32 or 64 bit.
| Quote: | In Firefox, you can check the plugin used by the browser by typing the
URL
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houghi@pasta : firefox about:config
Error: cannot open display: 208:0.0
IOW: I am not at my PC, so I can not do that.
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Eef Hartman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | You missed the obvious:
rpm -qi java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin-1.2_b09-10
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I did look at it. I did just not see wether that was 32 or 64 bit.
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OpenJDK != Sun JDK.
So the warning from Sun doesn't apply to the OpenJDK plugin (and
openSUSE 11.0 uses this one _because_ there is no Sun plugin for
64-bit).
I must admit, my warning about the lack of Java support in Firefox
is based on 10.3, we don't use 11.0 yet here.
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Eef Hartman wrote:
| Quote: | So the warning from Sun doesn't apply to the OpenJDK plugin (and
openSUSE 11.0 uses this one _because_ there is no Sun plugin for
64-bit).
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Well, all well, but I would love to know of a page that would cause me
problems when I would want try to access it with 64 bit and not with 32
bit.
I am not saying there is no issue. I am just saying I have not noticed
any issue whith my basicaly standard install of openSUSE (all installed
via standard repositories)
And realy a site where I would see the difference, not a site that tells
me there is a difference and that I can access with lynx. (unless lynx
somehow has 64 java build in)
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Eef Hartman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Eef Hartman wrote:
So the warning from Sun doesn't apply to the OpenJDK plugin (and
openSUSE 11.0 uses this one _because_ there is no Sun plugin for
64-bit).
Well, all well, but I would love to know of a page that would cause me
problems when I would want try to access it with 64 bit and not with 32
bit.
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The 64-bits version of Firefox, _as_ installed by openSUSE x86_64,
cannot use the 32-bit plugin for Java, so you do NOT have any Java
(but, I believe, JavaScipt is serviced by Firefox itself) at all,
pages with Java in them just do not work.
The SUN Java _engine_ as installed in openSUSE 10.3, is also 64-bits:
MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.17-0.1
java-1_6_0-sun-1.6.0.u7-1.1
java-1_6_0-sun-alsa-1.6.0.u7-1.1
java-1_6_0-sun-demo-1.6.0.u7-1.1
java-1_6_0-sun-devel-1.6.0.u7-1.1
java-1_6_0-sun-jdbc-1.6.0.u7-1.1
is what I have installed here, all 64-bits packages.
As you can see, no "java-1_6_0-sun-plugin" (the 32-bits O/S would
have have that one too: java-1_6_0-sun-plugin-1.6.0.u7-1.1
to be exact (that is from my 32-bits installed PC)).
| Quote: | And realy a site where I would see the difference, not a site that tells
me there is a difference and that I can access with lynx. (unless lynx
somehow has 64 java build in)
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I don't have a site available at the moment, but when I started with
openSUSE (in februari) it was one of the first things I complained about
(and then openSUSE 10.3 did still have the plugin installed, it
got uninstalled with the 1.5.0 to 1.6.0 updates). I noticed - with
the sites I regularly use - within a week that the plugin wasn't
working (and "about:plugins" didn't show it either, but when you
started firefox from the commandline you DID get an error about it).
We solved it by having an alternative 32-bits version of Firefox
around, with all of the plugins that "didn't work" in the 64-bits
version (of course there also were plugins that ONLY worked for the
64-bits version, like the VLC-mozillaplugin - there is a 32-bit
version of that too, but when you just do
zypper in vlc vlc-mozillaplugin
you get the 64-bits version on x86_64 openSUSE 10.3).
Since then the release of OpenJDK seems to have solved this problem,
but we didn't install it in this version (yet?), we want to keep all
our (to become more than 1500) workstations as identical and openSUSE
standard as possible. Next college year we'll be switching to 11.1
(which propably will have its own set of problems).
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Eef Hartman wrote:
| Quote: | I don't have a site available at the moment, but when I started with
openSUSE (in februari) it was one of the first things I complained about
(and then openSUSE 10.3 did still have the plugin installed, it
got uninstalled with the 1.5.0 to 1.6.0 updates). I noticed - with
the sites I regularly use - within a week that the plugin wasn't
working (and "about:plugins" didn't show it either, but when you
started firefox from the commandline you DID get an error about it).
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Pity that you have no URL. I realy would like to experience this.
Anybody else a URL?
| Quote: | Since then the release of OpenJDK seems to have solved this problem,
but we didn't install it in this version (yet?), we want to keep all
our (to become more than 1500) workstations as identical and openSUSE
standard as possible. Next college year we'll be switching to 11.1
(which propably will have its own set of problems).
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Next college year? Is that january or august? If august, then perhaps
11.2 will be out already.
houghi
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Eef Hartman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Next college year? Is that january or august? If august, then perhaps
11.2 will be out already.
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August, but we need several months to get the image developed and
debugged (it isn't really bugfree now, although we've been working
at it since begin this year).
So the development for the "next image" (as support for 10.3 will
runout late next year) will begin somewhere in februari.
This year 11.0 came out too when we were still developing the 10.3
image, but we didn't want to start all over again.
With a two-year support cycle, we need to upgrade once a year,
we cannot support it during TWO successive years (and in our
university environment SLED is just TOO old, especially for our
software development and computer engineering departments).
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Eef Hartman wrote:
| Quote: | This year 11.0 came out too when we were still developing the 10.3
image, but we didn't want to start all over again.
With a two-year support cycle, we need to upgrade once a year,
we cannot support it during TWO successive years (and in our
university environment SLED is just TOO old, especially for our
software development and computer engineering departments).
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SLE provides upgrades, not just updates. Contact the people of Linkat
http://linkat.xtec.cat/portal/ They have made a distribution for the
schools in Catalunia, based on openSUSE, SLE, their own repo's and a lot
more. I am sure Jordi and Jordi will be happy to give feedback.
They also gave a presentation on fosdem that is syill online to see.
Impressive stuff. They used to use part of makeSUSEdvd (especially the
signing) but now make their own distribution with the build service.
They had a one disc installation, where people could select 4 options
after selecting one of the three languages.
Student, Teacher, Network and standalone (i believe)
Don't forget that you can maintain your own systems for however long you
want. Just let them point to YOUR update repo. That way you can do
whatever you desire.
And you can make your own distribution with the build service. When
using the build service, you can start either from 0 or just use what is
already there.
houghi
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