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Harry
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 Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo E84 |
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Hi ,guys!
recently I have a new Dell 530s with a Core2Duo E8400 CPU, since it's
the first time that have a 64 bit cpu, i don't know should I choose 64
bit or 32 bit opensuse.specifically:
1, is 32 bit linux can also be installed? and running well?
2.I heard 64 bit OS will cause some problem ,like some program can not
run on it, I am using JAVA,Ruby kind of things frequently, can you see
any problem ?
3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Harry wrote:
| Quote: | Hi ,guys!
recently I have a new Dell 530s with a Core2Duo E8400 CPU, since it's
the first time that have a 64 bit cpu, i don't know should I choose 64
bit or 32 bit opensuse.specifically:
1, is 32 bit linux can also be installed? and running well?
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Can run perfectly.
| Quote: | 2.I heard 64 bit OS will cause some problem ,like some program can not
run on it, I am using JAVA,Ruby kind of things frequently, can you see
any problem ?
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Not here.
| Quote: | 3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
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I have it, because otherwise it would not support my memory. But as
always, why not try it out yourself and see what YOU think is best and
tell us what your experience is.
houghi
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Vahis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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On 2008-10-08, Harry <blogdriver@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi ,guys!
recently I have a new Dell 530s with a Core2Duo E8400 CPU, since it's
the first time that have a 64 bit cpu, i don't know should I choose 64
bit or 32 bit opensuse.specifically:
1, is 32 bit linux can also be installed? and running well?
2.I heard 64 bit OS will cause some problem ,like some program can not
run on it, I am using JAVA,Ruby kind of things frequently, can you see
any problem ?
3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
thank you!
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I'm running 64 bit also for the first time here, since like a couple of
months maybe.
Zero problems have been caused by that.
There's an option to install also the 32 bit libraries during installation.
Those a make also 32 bit programs run on the system. I did that and had
no problems, I don't know if there had been any if I didn't :)
I'm 100 per cent cool with my 11.0 system.
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karl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Harry schrieb:
| Quote: | Hi ,guys!
recently I have a new Dell 530s with a Core2Duo E8400 CPU, since it's
the first time that have a 64 bit cpu, i don't know should I choose 64
bit or 32 bit opensuse.specifically:
1, is 32 bit linux can also be installed? and running well?
2.I heard 64 bit OS will cause some problem ,like some program can not
run on it, I am using JAVA,Ruby kind of things frequently, can you see
any problem ?
3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
thank you!
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One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
Ciao
Karl |
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karl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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karl schrieb:
| Quote: | Harry schrieb:
Hi ,guys!
recently I have a new Dell 530s with a Core2Duo E8400 CPU, since it's
the first time that have a 64 bit cpu, i don't know should I choose 64
bit or 32 bit opensuse.specifically:
1, is 32 bit linux can also be installed? and running well?
2.I heard 64 bit OS will cause some problem ,like some program can not
run on it, I am using JAVA,Ruby kind of things frequently, can you see
any problem ?
3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
thank you!
One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
Ciao
Karl
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That was the German download site, sorry. Here in English
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp#lin |
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Eef Hartman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Harry <blogdriver@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | 3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
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In machines with "up to 3 and a bit" GB of RAM: no, it doesn't perform
better. From 4GB onwards: only 64-bits kernels can use that much amount
of RAM without a performance penalty (32-bits with Physical Address
Extensions _can_ make use of it, but at a cost as it has to be addressed
as multiple 4GB segments (just as the 8086 did with 64 KB segments).
Your other questions have been answered already.
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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karl wrote:
| Quote: | One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
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I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
houghi
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karl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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houghi schrieb:
| Quote: | karl wrote:
One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
houghi
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If you install 64bit firefox, there is no java plugin for it for the
Sun java. See the java site, they say there:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
Is this clear enough?
Ciao
Karl |
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Peter Köhlmann
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Eef Hartman wrote:
| Quote: | Harry <blogdriver@gmail.com> wrote:
3. is 64bit OS performs much better than 32? i don't want to bother if
it just support larger memory.
In machines with "up to 3 and a bit" GB of RAM: no, it doesn't perform
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My experience is different. I have less than 3 GB mem, and the machine
*does* perform better in 64bits.
Depending on type of app the performance is between 5% (not noticeable) to
40% (very noticeable) better than with the 32bit version
| Quote: | From 4GB onwards: only 64-bits kernels can use that much amount
of RAM without a performance penalty (32-bits with Physical Address
Extensions _can_ make use of it, but at a cost as it has to be addressed
as multiple 4GB segments (just as the 8086 did with 64 KB segments).
Your other questions have been answered already.
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Vahis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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On 2008-10-09, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | karl wrote:
One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
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I must be as thick as you. I have not seen or noticed any problems
either.
My FF works just fine.
Maybe someone can post a URL where I need some extra hacks to be able to
see a page?
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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karl wrote:
| Quote: | I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
If you install 64bit firefox, there is no java plugin for it for the
Sun java. See the java site, they say there:
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
Is this clear enough?
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OK, I will check when I am at my PC. So it is only the Java website that
complains about it? I have not seen anything on any other place. Or
perhaps zypper/YaST/openSUSE installed the 32 bit for me.
Anyway, I never had any site complain to me about not having Java.
houghi
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DenverD
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Vahis wrote:
| Quote: | On 2008-10-09, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
karl wrote:
One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
I must be as thick as you. I have not seen or noticed any problems
either.
My FF works just fine.
Maybe someone can post a URL where I need some extra hacks to be able to
see a page?
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some banks uses a java applet to access an on hard drive encrypted file to
verify identity..
that may (or may not) be the same system used
i know in Denmark the largest bank <http://www.danskebank.dk/> uses it, but i
don't think you can verify a problem with your 64 bit FF unless you open an
account og larer dansk [and learn danish)] ;-)
in fact, i wasn't even able to use a 32 FF with it, and their phone help was no
help since they only support that other OS....so, i changed banks.
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karl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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Vahis schrieb:
| Quote: | On 2008-10-09, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
karl wrote:
One problem is that there is still no Java plugin for 64bit. See:
http://www.java.com/de/download/manual.jsp#lin
So you will have to run a 32bit firefox as me if you want it.
I have done nothing like that. So where would I expect problems? Can
you point out a site where this might happen, as I did not notice
anything yet.
I certainly have not installed anything from java.com
I must be as thick as you. I have not seen or noticed any problems
either.
My FF works just fine.
Maybe someone can post a URL where I need some extra hacks to be able to
see a page?
I just produced the fact that on the java sun website it is written: |
"Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
If you want to find pages where you need this, go to the java sites.
They have them.
Maybe you have a 32bit FF or/and a very old java. Did you check?
If not, write to the Vatican that it will be recognized as a miracle.
Ciao
Karl |
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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DenverD wrote:
| Quote: | i know in Denmark the largest bank <http://www.danskebank.dk/> uses it, but i
don't think you can verify a problem with your 64 bit FF unless you open an
account og larer dansk [and learn danish)] 
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I can have a discusiion with them wether Tuborg or Carlsberg is better
and what colour the bottles must be (brown or green). So you see, I am
already aware of the major issues in Danmark, so the language should be
a non-issue (and they most likely speak English or German)
| Quote: | in fact, i wasn't even able to use a 32 FF with it, and their phone help was no
help since they only support that other OS....so, i changed banks.
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Then it was a Java issue, not a Java32bit issue. I am in Belgium with
Citibank and there they had Firefox as the main browser for a LONG time.
In fact they were one of the few that dit real internet banking and it
was free, where others asked money for it, so they could fire people.
Some needed a program installed. Unfortunatly now I have a seperate
machine that gives me a code I need to enter. Even the Emplyees thought
it was bullshit, because now you can not do it anywhere, unless you have
that machine with you.
houghi
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karl
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: which open suse distro to choose (64 or 32) for Core2Duo |
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houghi schrieb:
| Quote: | "Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support"
Is this clear enough?
OK, I will check when I am at my PC. So it is only the Java website that
complains about it? I have not seen anything on any other place. Or
perhaps zypper/YaST/openSUSE installed the 32 bit for me.
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If you don't know it if you have a 32 or 64 bit FF, why you are
complaining that I just reported a fact from the java website?
Ciao
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