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Hactar
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 Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Xfce's screen saver |
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I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
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johnny bobby bee
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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Hactar wrote:
| Quote: | I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
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Can't help with the Xfce screensaver.
But, how is this boring:
xset s 1 1
Pretty sweet if you ask me. ;)
Have you installed xscreensaver and played with the
'xscreensaver-command' or 'xscreensaver-demo' commands?
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As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be
glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously.
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Sidney Lambe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
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So you are worried about what's on the screen when you
aren't looking at it?
I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
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Bill Marcum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
On 2008-11-11, Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
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Have you installed xscreensaver and played with the
'xscreensaver-command' or 'xscreensaver-demo' commands?
xscreensaver's nice, I had it in my former installation. But I hate
duplicated functionality. Is there a way of uninstalling xfce's screen
saver, or do they use the same guts? Some of the module names are the
same, but I don't think that necessarily means the _files_ are the same.
xfce installs gnome-screensaver. If you uninstall that, it might say |
that xfce-desktop will be removed, but that is just a metapackage.
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Hactar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In article <bafnu5x8i1.ln2@amma.net>,
Sidney Lambe <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
So you are worried about what's on the screen when you
aren't looking at it?
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Just because I'm not sitting at the computer doesn't mean I don't
occasionally glance at it.
| Quote: | I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
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I have DPMS kick in at a half hour; same deal.
| Quote: | No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
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All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
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PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola
virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those
idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ |
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Michael Black
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Hactar wrote:
| Quote: | In article <bafnu5x8i1.ln2@amma.net>,
Sidney Lambe <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
So you are worried about what's on the screen when you
aren't looking at it?
Just because I'm not sitting at the computer doesn't mean I don't
occasionally glance at it.
I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
I have DPMS kick in at a half hour; same deal.
No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
Of course, screensavers were about blanking the screen so a fixed pattern |
wasn't constantly on the screen; done long enough with the same pattern
and it can burn into the screen. I used to have an old point of sale
terminal that had some burn in over in the corner, and certainly the rise
of desktops on computers means a very similar pattern is there constantly.
But somewhere along the way, screensavers became "art". Yes, they do
ensure that the same pattern is not seen by the screen all the time, but
they sure don't do anything about saving power. IN order to display all
those fancy flying toasters and whatever, the monitor has to be in
constant use.
I sure don't bother with a screensaver. The default on the distribution I
use blanks the screen after a certain amount of time, and then puts the
monitor in standbye after a longer certain length of time.
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Hactar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In article <Br6Sk.1813$A73.616@edtnps82>,
johnny bobby bee <useraddshine-no_spam_eh@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Hactar wrote:
I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
Can't help with the Xfce screensaver.
But, how is this boring:
xset s 1 1
Pretty sweet if you ask me. ;)
Have you installed xscreensaver and played with the
'xscreensaver-command' or 'xscreensaver-demo' commands?
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xscreensaver's nice, I had it in my former installation. But I hate
duplicated functionality. Is there a way of uninstalling xfce's screen
saver, or do they use the same guts? Some of the module names are the
same, but I don't think that necessarily means the _files_ are the same.
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Two atoms are discussing whether or not to go into a bar. The first atom
says, "I don't know about this place. Last time I went in there, I lost
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Hactar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0811111055220.9150@darkstar.example.net>,
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Hactar wrote:
In article <bafnu5x8i1.ln2@amma.net>,
Sidney Lambe <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
I have DPMS kick in at a half hour; same deal.
No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
Of course, screensavers were about blanking the screen so a fixed pattern
wasn't constantly on the screen; done long enough with the same pattern
and it can burn into the screen. I used to have an old point of sale
terminal that had some burn in over in the corner, and certainly the rise
of desktops on computers means a very similar pattern is there constantly.
But somewhere along the way, screensavers became "art".
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Maybe when "Pyro" came out for the Mac, sometime in the mid-late 80s?
| Quote: | Yes, they do
ensure that the same pattern is not seen by the screen all the time, but
they sure don't do anything about saving power.
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Well, a CRT displaying mostly black does use a fair amount less power
than one displaying a lighter workspace. To be sure, it's still a lot
more than "off".
| Quote: | I sure don't bother with a screensaver. The default on the distribution I
use blanks the screen after a certain amount of time, and then puts the
monitor in standbye after a longer certain length of time.
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On/off too often isn't very good for LCDs (the backlight is a
fluorescent tube or two). I'm mostly interested that it be not my
current screen, and interesting to look at. Pretty pictures are like
wall-art that moves, in my book.
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-eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81
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The neutrino replies "Nope, just passing through." -- rdu_voyager on Fark |
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Balwinder S Dheeman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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On 11/11/2008 08:23 PM, Hactar wrote:
| Quote: | In article <bafnu5x8i1.ln2@amma.net>,
Sidney Lambe <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
So you are worried about what's on the screen when you
aren't looking at it?
Just because I'm not sitting at the computer doesn't mean I don't
occasionally glance at it.
I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
I have DPMS kick in at a half hour; same deal.
No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
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I think, the manual page for xorg.conf has enough of information, here
are requisite excerpts from relevant sections:
Section "ServerFlags"
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Option "BlankTime" "5" # in minutes
Option "StandbyTime" "5" # vsync, nearly instant recovery
Option "SuspendTime" "5" # hsync, typically 3s recovery
Option "OffTime" "5" # poff, typically 10s recovery
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
...
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection
All you need to do is add the above said options and, or change the same
per your needs; this generally is applicable to X server -- display or
video drivers and not specific for XFCE, KDE and GNOME etcetera.
Please note, that the LCD monitors recover quite quickly compared to the
CRT monitors.
IMHO, only blanking a display is the best screen-saver ever made.
Hope that helps,
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Sidney Lambe
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <bafnu5x8i1.ln2@amma.net>,
Sidney Lambe <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
So you are worried about what's on the screen when you
aren't looking at it?
Just because I'm not sitting at the computer doesn't mean I don't
occasionally glance at it.
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And what? If it was blank you'd feel insecure or something?
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I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
I have DPMS kick in at a half hour; same deal.
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No, it is not. That's an unnecessary 1/2 hour of wasted energy and
and wear on the monitor/screen (and associated circuits) every time
you walk away from your computer for an extended period. And that's
a best-case scenario that applies only if you have your DPMS set
to turn it off rather than "suspend" or "standby".
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No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
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Off is not "all black". It is off. Power down. This condition
uses zero energy and nothing preserves semiconductors, of which
these screens are made, like power down. This is the best way
to save your screen, by far. Having current running through them
is the only thing (discounting abuse) that wears semiconductors out.
I have a couple of transistor radios made in the 50's that work just
fine, because they haven't been used much over the decades.
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Hactar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In article <r4vou5-mkp.ln1@marcumbill.bellsouth.net>,
Bill Marcum <marcumbill@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
On 2008-11-11, Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
Have you installed xscreensaver and played with the
'xscreensaver-command' or 'xscreensaver-demo' commands?
xscreensaver's nice, I had it in my former installation. But I hate
duplicated functionality. Is there a way of uninstalling xfce's screen
saver, or do they use the same guts? Some of the module names are the
same, but I don't think that necessarily means the _files_ are the same.
xfce installs gnome-screensaver. If you uninstall that, it might say
that xfce-desktop will be removed, but that is just a metapackage.
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I tried ... gnome-screensaver out, xscreenssaver in. They use the same
data files, so that's good. Something carried in libc6 and synaptic got
hung up on on "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place", so I looked
it up and one of the successful solutions was to install libc6 with apt-get.
Did that, it worked.
xscreensaver-demo won't set the timeout to 1 minute, but it will set it
to 10. I need to find out where the cutoff is. Other than that, it
seems to work. It's much more easily fiddled with, which I like.
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Hactar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In article <2qvou5xn3l.ln2@news.homelinux.net>,
Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@cto.homelinux.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On 11/11/2008 08:23 PM, Hactar wrote:
In article <bafnu5x8i1.ln2@amma.net>,
Sidney Lambe <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
I have Ubuntu 8.04, with Xfce as the environment in X. I cannot get
Xfce's screen saver to engage. X's (as controlled with xset) works fine,
but it's boring. DPMS works, except that if I change xfce's control for
it, it gets disabled (all times in xset go to 0). Anyone know a solution
to either of these problems?
So you are worried about what's on the screen when you
aren't looking at it?
Just because I'm not sitting at the computer doesn't mean I don't
occasionally glance at it.
I just turn my monitor off when I'm not using it.
Can't see any point in wasting energy on something
that I'm not using.
I have DPMS kick in at a half hour; same deal.
No one has ever complained about the blank screen.
If they did, I'd think they had a loose screw or two.
All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
I think, the manual page for xorg.conf has enough of information, here
are requisite excerpts from relevant sections:
Section "ServerFlags"
...
Option "BlankTime" "5" # in minutes
Option "StandbyTime" "5" # vsync, nearly instant recovery
Option "SuspendTime" "5" # hsync, typically 3s recovery
Option "OffTime" "5" # poff, typically 10s recovery
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
...
Option "DPMS" "true"
EndSection
All you need to do is add the above said options and, or change the same
per your needs; this generally is applicable to X server -- display or
video drivers and not specific for XFCE, KDE and GNOME etcetera.
Please note, that the LCD monitors recover quite quickly compared to the
CRT monitors.
IMHO, only blanking a display is the best screen-saver ever made.
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AIUI color on LCDs is made by filtering out parts of the backlight. On
laptop[-1], I had the screensaver display a 4x3 image (actually 12 pixels)
of solid white.
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SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming
from an open window. Work a little harder on improving your low self
esteem, you stupid freak. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ |
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johnny bobby bee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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Hactar wrote:
| Quote: | All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
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Wait, what? Blank screen for LCD consumes more power than a screensaver?
Surely, you jest.
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As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be
glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously.
--Benjamin Franklin |
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Hactar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In article <JeoSk.1838$xJ3.1783@edtnps83>,
johnny bobby bee <useraddshine-no_spam_eh@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Hactar wrote:
All black = good for CRTs, but worst-case (in terms of power
consumption) for LCDs.
Wait, what? Blank screen for LCD consumes more power than a screensaver?
Surely, you jest.
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For "blank==black", not "blank==backlight off", and just counting the
screen, not the whole computer, it's true.
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"The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a
twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals
out there. Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on
fire' and the computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni |
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Rockinghorse Winner
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Xfce's screen saver |
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In alt.os.linux.ubuntu, Bill Marcum had the audacity to say that:
| Quote: | ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
On 2008-11-11, Hactar <ebenZEROONE@verizon.net> wrote:
Have you installed xscreensaver and played with the
'xscreensaver-command' or 'xscreensaver-demo' commands?
xscreensaver's nice, I had it in my former installation. But I hate
duplicated functionality. Is there a way of uninstalling xfce's screen
saver, or do they use the same guts? Some of the module names are the
same, but I don't think that necessarily means the _files_ are the same.
xfce installs gnome-screensaver. If you uninstall that, it might say
that xfce-desktop will be removed, but that is just a metapackage.
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A lightweight dte calls for a lightweight ss: xlock.
*R* *H*
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"His one secret thought, became like a chain, binding down his spirit, and,
like a serpent, gnawing into his heart; and he was transformed into a sad
and downcast, yet irritable man."
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